There has been a lot more discussion on this by Nzoomed and others in another thread. See this post and the ones following it:
Below are my shots taken on the stuff from Wittner, I have had great results with NO yellowing and have not needed to make any adjustments or corrections on my scans. There was no "yellow" cast delibratley added to compensate for aerial photographic purposes. There seems to be some rumour going round that this was done to correct for high UV at higher altitudes then shooting the film.
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Sorry for getting off topic on this ferrania thread, Im happy to discuss this film further, because I simply have not experienced these issues, nor have many others using this film.
I know others here have had great results from the later batches from Rollei and Lomography without any yellowing also.
TBH, ive never had any yellowing with my shots, and i leave the film in my camera for some months sometimes.
Only issue ive had is with light piping, usually because the labs unpick the films in bright light.
they could sell film in bulk to the suppliers, no logistical issues whatsoever. Also, people who buy P30 know what they are buying, so I don't think there will be any complaint. About the volume, how this is an issue? if there isn't enough material to ship to some internet shops, how there is enough to sell through their web site? If there was let's say 1000 rolls they could sell and ship a hundred to 10 shops.I don't mind the wait, after all, I have been waiting for a few years. I suspect there are several issues with simply trying to use an existing distributer or film sales site.
1) International access is required. Cobbling together a network of local distributors takes too much time.
2) The original shipment of P30 is an alpha release. Few distributors want to deal with complaints from customers that the film might not be perfect.
3) There may not be a large enough volume of the initial release to ship to multiple distributors.
4) Even if an existing site were used for sales with actual shipments from Ferrania, there would be logistical issues communicating sales from the third-party sites to Ferrania - this would essentially require an e-commerce solution to accept the orders so there would be no cost or time savings.
I hope future sales of the slide film will be distributed through more established channels. It would obviously be cheaper to bulk ship large containers of film to B&H, FreeStyle and Amazon for sale in the US instead of international shipping for multiple small orders.
No, I would have not guessed, that this could turn into a blocking point for selling film, which is supposed to be the main source of money for Ferrania. There are gazillions of people out there, who either already run a web shop for photographic products, or could could whip one up in a matter of days. It's not like this webshop for P30 would have to handle a million requests per day, although I would certainly wish Ferrania that it would.
Holding up a skilled team of experts in such an obscure and demanding field as emulsion making with webshop monkey business is painful, to say the least, it ranks right with "we couldn't make a coating this week because lead engineer had difficulties fixing the carburetor of his car".
I don't mind the wait, after all, I have been waiting for a few years. I suspect there are several issues with simply trying to use an existing distributer or film sales site.
1) International access is required. Cobbling together a network of local distributors takes too much time.
2) The original shipment of P30 is an alpha release. Few distributors want to deal with complaints from customers that the film might not be perfect.
3) There may not be a large enough volume of the initial release to ship to multiple distributors.
4) Even if an existing site were used for sales with actual shipments from Ferrania, there would be logistical issues communicating sales from the third-party sites to Ferrania - this would essentially require an e-commerce solution to accept the orders so there would be no cost or time savings.
I hope future sales of the slide film will be distributed through more established channels. It would obviously be cheaper to bulk ship large containers of film to B&H, FreeStyle and Amazon for sale in the US instead of international shipping for multiple small orders.
that is good news.For the record, the web shop is not the "sticking point" nor is it "monkey business" in any way, shape or form. In fact, it's quite surprising that such technically-minded people as exist here on APUG should be the ones to oversimplify this aspect.
Nicola and I are not "holding up" the factory team with the creation of the shop - in fact, the team is working furiously to scale up emulsions making to meet the demand that has been expressed since our announcement. (We will be releasing a video about this topic very soon.)
And as someone who has been building websites by hand since 1995, I can say that there is no such thing as "whip up" when you're talking about a shop that needs to be able to ship globally, from two warehouses on opposite sides of the Atlantic, in two currencies, and with the necessary controls in place to service all customers quickly and professionally. Also please consider for a moment that our shop needs to be able to be operated by one person (me) so as not to drain anything away from my Italian partners.
We have been heads-down figuring out solutions on BOTH sides of the equation - for the factory and for the shop.
The countdown to the launch of the shop begins today. I'll be posting it shortly.
they could sell film in bulk to the suppliers
no logistical issues whatsoever
Also, people who buy P30 know what they are buying, so I don't think there will be any complaint.
About the volume, how this is an issue? if there isn't enough material to ship to some internet shops, how there is enough to sell through their web site? If there was let's say 1000 rolls they could sell and ship a hundred to 10 shops.
alright then, just don't let us down and whatever you do is fine with me as long as I'll eventually get to buy colour reversal film!Eventually, yes, but not for the first 6-8 weeks of full production.
Fewer issues for sure, but at a much higher cost - a cost we simply cannot afford in the short term.
I really wish this were universally true... MANY people understand. But we still get emails every day from Backers and the general public who have not read a single word or our updates, or watched our videos.
The most common questions from this contingent are "Where is my reward?" and "Where can I buy your film in [sender's city]?"
Again, it's is just not this simple. First of all, it's prohibitively expensive to ship small quantities - it adds too much to the per-piece cost. Also, what happens when a couple of resellers sell out while some others sell slowly? Without data in hand about the proper distribution and sell-through rate in various regions, picking 10 shops would be a total shot in the dark and opens an entirely new can of works about how to shift inventories around to optimize sales.
Selling (initially) through our shop is the only way to both control the fulfillment of orders in a way that is fair to everyone, and to ensure that we don't lose money out of the gate.
For the record, the web shop is not the "sticking point" nor is it "monkey business" in any way, shape or form. In fact, it's quite surprising that such technically-minded people as exist here on APUG should be the ones to oversimplify this aspect.
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And as someone who has been building websites by hand since 1995, I can say that there is no such thing as "whip up" when you're talking about a shop that needs to be able to ship globally, from two warehouses on opposite sides of the Atlantic, in two currencies, and with the necessary controls in place to service all customers quickly and professionally. Also please consider for a moment that our shop needs to be able to be operated by one person (me) so as not to drain anything away from my Italian partners.
Amen +100000I think many people seriously underestimate what the people at Film Ferrania have achieved. They've taken a decommissioned set of equipment and actually managed to make a new film...all under one roof, all in house. I doff my metaphorical hat to them.
That certainly sums up the challenges very nicely. Thanks!I can say that there is no such thing as "whip up" when you're talking about a shop that needs to be able to ship globally, from two warehouses on opposite sides of the Atlantic, in two currencies, and with the necessary controls in place to service all customers quickly and professionally. Also please consider for a moment that our shop needs to be able to be operated by one person (me) so as not to drain anything away from my Italian partners.
the regional government you mean.As the Italian government is a major supporter of Film Ferrania, they too might have some requirements that the web store must fulfill.
I surely don't think it is easy to do what they managed to do. I'm one of those who can't wait to start using their colour film and all I can say is that they did a great job at restoring the factory and produce this first run of film. Maybe, though, they shouldn't have created to much hype around because they in the first place should have known that producing film ain't no easy task. This has most certainly created some doubtsI always enjoy it when people are convinced that something someone else is trying to do is easy and simple.
As the Italian government is a major supporter of Film Ferrania, they too might have some requirements that the web store must fulfill.
Maybe, though, they shouldn't have created to much hype around because they in the first place should have known that producing film ain't no easy task. This has most certainly created some doubts
I think that this is a direct consequence of crowd funding. If you have private investors you can keep quiet until you're ready to ship, but that won't wash when you're funded (at least partially) via Kickstarter.
.......We try to be careful about over-committing, but the truth is that once our products are on the market, everything that came before will be quickly forgotten.
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