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Why a refrigeration system would need certification i have no idea, i thought we were PC enough in this country, clearly not! lol

What needs to be accredited by the government is the overall system of building "services" - this includes water, electrical power, HVAC via the Chillers, disposal systems (sewer, drainage, reclamation systems) and everything else that makes the building operate. Since the government owns the building, it's their job to install all of this stuff (part of the nearly €2M they've put into the LRF) - and rather than deal with lawsuits for stuff that doesn't work properly, they also have to put everything "through the ringer," so to speak.

The founders told me recently that this involves firing up the entire building, and running all of the equipment at full blast, 24 hours a day, for one solid week. I imagine that they also turn on all the lights, open all the faucets, flush all of the toilets, set off the fire extinguishers, buzz all of the buzzers, raise and lower the outer doors, etc. Total pandemonium for 7 days.

It's a stress test, basically... If nothing breaks, or springs a leak, or blows a breaker, or causes other issues that could affect the viability of the facility - then we pass the test and the LRF is officially accredited to begin operations.

All of this is due to the new machinery and services that have been installed. Back in the spring, when we were just planning to use the already installed and accredited machines to make a small batch of film, this wasn't an issue. We would have eventually gone through the process, but we had carefully planned new equipment installations to avoid interfering with production.

When the asbestos was found (clearly something that should have been discovered before we ever took up residence in the building), our carefully balanced schedule was tossed out the window. Now we have tons (literally) of new equipment and we have been working all summer toward the point when the new accreditation could happen all at once - and thus, hopefully, more quickly.

At this point, we are extremely confident that everything on OUR side of the equation is ready to go and will perform flawlessly. In fact, we were recently visited by a film industry executive who proclaimed the plant to be in "mint condition" - which pleased our team quite thoroughly.

The big IF in our current situation is the government. They hire the contractors - a process that involves taking 5 bids, winnowing the selection, deliberating, and awarding the individual job. Many different contractors have already been through the building and many more will come in the next few weeks. None of them have any clear idea of the complete picture, they're just hired for their specific expertise - plumbing, electrical, etc. I'm told that Marco has been forced to function as the on-site general contractor - the one who must oversee each crew to ensure that everyone is working toward the same goal.


All of this has been stressful on our founders and team, to say the least. Frustrating, more than anything, because we know that we could have done the same work in a fraction of the time.

But that would have required owning the building outright and assuming responsibility for all the costs to upgrade it. This means we would have had to raise at least €5M three years ago, which simply wasn't possible. Besides - who, in their right mind, would fork over €5M+ for an old R&D building - and to make FILM of all things? (Actually, If anyone knows of such a person, we would most certainly like to be introduced!!)

So if it was between the government paying to get the LRF in order, and FILM Ferrania paying for all of it (plus buying the building), it was obviously better for us financially to deal with the inevitable delays of having the government involved. And actually, I don't think the building was for sale in the traditional sense...

As it stands, the founders have been able to focus their investment on restoration, hiring the team, and buying all of the additional equipment (assisted by the money we raised on Kickstarter). We have not yet taken a single euro from outside investors.


As you can see, it's all very complicated. Plus, I am glossing over 99% of the details in order to keep this post as short as it is - and it's already too long...
 

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Sure, this is a big unknown, but if I recall right, the Italian government has some pretty strong incentives to get Ferrania up and running. THat's what the update said anyway.

Forza Ferrania!!

Their incentive is that they have already invested an enormous sum of cash into the LRF building and they want to start collecting rent from us ASAP.
 

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A new update arrived via Kickstarter! Most major roadblocks have been removed and progress is now being made. The factory is now being assembled with the final unknown being the certification of everything by the Italian government. Expect a new timeline in the near future!

Forza Ferrania!


Here's the story: Dead Link Removed - also posted as an update for our Kickstarter backers.
 

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Now THAT should go quickly and smoothly, eh?

I think it will. The Ferrania project is backed up by the Regione and it seems to me they have no interest in obstructing the work. But I can imagine that working with public funding is frustrating to say the least! Also Italian laws regarding industrial safety and operations are very restrictive, so I expect the road to a functioning Ferrania still long. But its very positive they are making good progress! We just need to be patient.
 

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Is it just me, or does "100 more years" sound slightly pessimistic now the factory's almost up and running in "mint" condition again? :surprised:)
 

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Now I can understand where Federico Fellini was coming from...
 

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What needs to be accredited by the government is the overall system of building "services" - this includes water, electrical power, HVAC via the Chillers, disposal systems (sewer, drainage, reclamation systems) and everything else that makes the building operate. Since the government owns the building, it's their job to install all of this stuff (part of the nearly €2M they've put into the LRF) - and rather than deal with lawsuits for stuff that doesn't work properly, they also have to put everything "through the ringer," so to speak.

The founders told me recently that this involves firing up the entire building, and running all of the equipment at full blast, 24 hours a day, for one solid week. I imagine that they also turn on all the lights, open all the faucets, flush all of the toilets, set off the fire extinguishers, buzz all of the buzzers, raise and lower the outer doors, etc. Total pandemonium for 7 days.

It's a stress test, basically... If nothing breaks, or springs a leak, or blows a breaker, or causes other issues that could affect the viability of the facility - then we pass the test and the LRF is officially accredited to begin operations.

All of this is due to the new machinery and services that have been installed. Back in the spring, when we were just planning to use the already installed and accredited machines to make a small batch of film, this wasn't an issue. We would have eventually gone through the process, but we had carefully planned new equipment installations to avoid interfering with production.

When the asbestos was found (clearly something that should have been discovered before we ever took up residence in the building), our carefully balanced schedule was tossed out the window. Now we have tons (literally) of new equipment and we have been working all summer toward the point when the new accreditation could happen all at once - and thus, hopefully, more quickly.

At this point, we are extremely confident that everything on OUR side of the equation is ready to go and will perform flawlessly. In fact, we were recently visited by a film industry executive who proclaimed the plant to be in "mint condition" - which pleased our team quite thoroughly.

The big IF in our current situation is the government. They hire the contractors - a process that involves taking 5 bids, winnowing the selection, deliberating, and awarding the individual job. Many different contractors have already been through the building and many more will come in the next few weeks. None of them have any clear idea of the complete picture, they're just hired for their specific expertise - plumbing, electrical, etc. I'm told that Marco has been forced to function as the on-site general contractor - the one who must oversee each crew to ensure that everyone is working toward the same goal.


All of this has been stressful on our founders and team, to say the least. Frustrating, more than anything, because we know that we could have done the same work in a fraction of the time.

But that would have required owning the building outright and assuming responsibility for all the costs to upgrade it. This means we would have had to raise at least €5M three years ago, which simply wasn't possible. Besides - who, in their right mind, would fork over €5M+ for an old R&D building - and to make FILM of all things? (Actually, If anyone knows of such a person, we would most certainly like to be introduced!!)

So if it was between the government paying to get the LRF in order, and FILM Ferrania paying for all of it (plus buying the building), it was obviously better for us financially to deal with the inevitable delays of having the government involved. And actually, I don't think the building was for sale in the traditional sense...

As it stands, the founders have been able to focus their investment on restoration, hiring the team, and buying all of the additional equipment (assisted by the money we raised on Kickstarter). We have not yet taken a single euro from outside investors.


As you can see, it's all very complicated. Plus, I am glossing over 99% of the details in order to keep this post as short as it is - and it's already too long...

That answers alot thanks :smile:

Hopefully it all goes smoothly and we can see some film coming out by the end of the year!
Im sure its been no doubt frustrating for the whole team, but it will pay off in the long run now that the facility has been upgraded.
 

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It certainly sounds odd, but in fact the Chillers, as well as most of the big machinery, are powered by steam-generated electricity. This is primarily for cost reasons, but also because that's how the LRF was configured originally..

Making their own electricity was typical for film plants with roots that old.
 

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Making their own electricity was typical for film plants with roots that old.

Yes, although the only thing i dont fully grasp is why any steam powered generators could not just be done away with and connect the equipment straight to the grid? The LRF is not that old anyway if it was built in the 60's.

Obviously im missing something here and there could be alot more technical details behind this, but you would think if they are using electricity to generate steam, and then use it to generate electricity for the machinery that alot of energy would be wasted in the process?
 

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Kodak produced its own electricity and steam in Rochester New York.
 
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Obviously im missing something here and there could be a lot more technical details behind this, but you would think if they are using electricity to generate steam, and then use it to generate electricity for the machinery that alot of energy would be wasted in the process?

there are several things.. A big campus with lots of buildings and lots of people uses a LOT of power, so having a built in power plant- rather than using the grid WAS often economical. A much scaled down operation and rules limiting use of Coal may change that equation.

second a local power plant can also generate steam which can directly run machinery or provide heat. The new installation is using a relatively small looking Boiler to make the steam they need.

third while it SOUNDS crazy, many chillers create cold liquids by stating with steam! http://www.cmu.edu/iwess/components/steam_absorption_chiller/
 
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Yes, although the only thing i dont fully grasp is why any steam powered generators could not just be done away with and connect the equipment straight to the grid? The LRF is not that old anyway if it was built in the 60's.

Obviously im missing something here and there could be alot more technical details behind this, but you would think if they are using electricity to generate steam, and then use it to generate electricity for the machinery that alot of energy would be wasted in the process?

Nope. All the energy is stored as steam. If insulated properly, all is good. Think of the stored steam as a large volume of stored energy. Like putting a trickle charge on a battery. Just need to replace used charge from starting an engine while engine and all electrical runs off the alternator. Here with steam, the energy is stored in large steam tanks. These tanks of steam can turn turbines to generate electricity, run engines, heat spaces, run a compressor for refrigeration if needed. The properties of a "working fluid" like steam is much like hydralics to a jack. Very little work to lift a car off the ground... very little work for steam to move really big train with a small fire. So, replacement of steam is by way of relatively low current heat source that has to be able to also heat and make steam to full capacity of the system at full load, but when system not a full load, it's making reserves. Oh, and the turbines to generate electricity can generate higher voltages than what is use to make steam, and also handle higher current demands. Still total energy in equals total energy out, just repackaged in the way of steam for "compressing" amount of stored energy to perform work of shorter durations, or slow longer term durations.
 
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Energy cost is a HUGE line item in our plans.

In order to be competitively priced and do all of the things we want to do in the future - and considering the already enormous power requirements for the LRF building - before we install all of the "new" equipment - steam is by far the most economical choice we have at this time.

That said, we are also connected to the regional grid due to the way the building is wired internally - but it's my understanding that this serves mostly just the office areas.
 

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Energy cost is a HUGE line item in our plans.

In order to be competitively priced and do all of the things we want to do in the future - and considering the already enormous power requirements for the LRF building - before we install all of the "new" equipment - steam is by far the most economical choice we have at this time.

That said, we are also connected to the regional grid due to the way the building is wired internally - but it's my understanding that this serves mostly just the office areas.

Im sure energy cost is a concern, something that just occured to me is that Ferrania Solis next door produces solar panels.

Do you think it may be possible to form a partnership with them to supply solar power to the LRF at some point in the future?

It would look great from an environmental point of view but may benefit exposure to both businesses. I see they have a huge solar array on their roof on google earth which i assume is providing their facility with some amount of electricity, it may be possible for them to install panels on the LRF roof, who knows just a thought anyway, but if it cut costs, its gotta be a win, win! :smile:
 

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Hopefully working with the contractors runs as smooth as it can. Dealing with something like that is hard, especially when you know you have the drive and knowledge to do it yourself but not the monetary resources. I'm wondering how the investment field is looking at the moment considering Harman Technologies being acquired. Maybe there was someone left out of that deal that might want to jump on board with the film movement. Finding investors can get interesting.
 
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Thanks for the update Dave.
As the adage says Rome (in this case Ferrania) wasn't built in a day. The task is quite complex and it is better to get everything assured.
Any update about the status, even tiny is very welcome. I am awaiting, as many, the final product(s) to come but nevertheless this part of the process is very interesting to follow.




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In fact, we were recently visited by a film industry executive who proclaimed the plant to be in "mint condition" - which pleased our team quite thoroughly.

Are you by chance at liberty to expand any further here regarding the who, what, and why of this visit?

:wink:

Ken
 

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Are you by chance at liberty to expand any further here regarding the who, what, and why of this visit?

:wink:

Ken


Sorry Ken. I can say that it was someone with the appropriate knowledge and experience to make such a claim, and have it simply accepted as truth by his peers.

We're all really proud to have such a "seal of approval" - however, everyone is very much focused on the battle to stay on some sort of predictable schedule through the accreditation process.
 

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Im sure energy cost is a concern, something that just occured to me is that Ferrania Solis next door produces solar panels.

Do you think it may be possible to form a partnership with them to supply solar power to the LRF at some point in the future?

It would look great from an environmental point of view but may benefit exposure to both businesses. I see they have a huge solar array on their roof on google earth which i assume is providing their facility with some amount of electricity, it may be possible for them to install panels on the LRF roof, who knows just a thought anyway, but if it cut costs, its gotta be a win, win! :smile:


That's a solar factory on the campus that you are seeing on maps! It's called Ferrania Solis and was spun off from Ferrania Technologies a number of years ago.

Our long-term goals are focused on efficiency and self-containment. With those goals AND a neighbor with historical ties making solar panels, it seems pretty easy to think we'll eventually generate our own power entirely.
 

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Thanks for all the info!
 

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That's a solar factory on the campus that you are seeing on maps! It's called Ferrania Solis and was spun off from Ferrania Technologies a number of years ago.

Our long-term goals are focused on efficiency and self-containment. With those goals AND a neighbor with historical ties making solar panels, it seems pretty easy to think we'll eventually generate our own power entirely.

I couldnt agree more, it would be awesome if that would work out for you in the future!
 
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Any more progress?

Good news: they're bringing on the Travelwide guys as communications and logistics consultants.

(Joking!!!)
 

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Good news: they're bringing on the Travelwide guys as communications and logistics consultants.

(Joking!!!)

:whistling:

Anyways, I guess they need the gov't to do the finishing touches to the plant, once that's ready they can work on the film. Having a truly consolidated plant and be able to start steadily will be good.
 
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:whistling:

Anyways, I guess they need the gov't to do the finishing touches to the plant, once that's ready they can work on the film. Having a truly consolidated plant and be able to start steadily will be good.

That will be good.
 
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