But how many test runs would even Ferrania need to modify an old 3M formula to work on a Kodak Machine. the lab coater that they are making the P30 on was at least designed to have some sort of scaling factors with the 3M production coaters. all the parameters that can be adjusted would need to be to make any 3M era formula at a Kodak plant, (or on a former AGFA machine, or even at Foma or Ilford. (who actually have another clone of an Agfa Machine as far as I know)
you strategically forgot to quote post 3359. But that's is ok because you talk facts.
You are right, the campaign was just to acquire the machinery. My wrong. I was wrong to think that this was intended as a first step to make colour reversal film, eventually. I honestly remember though that when the campaign started a lot of people (on this forum as well as others) were already asking for ferrania chrome in 126, sheet film, and soo on. among this load of people many were backers, now you could say that all of them were just silly to believe that, but they are still backers who gave money in the hope one day ferrania could produce colour reversal film. That's allBTW Berri, it was you who started to "talk facts", remember?
"Ferrania got money to make colour reversal film ant this is a fact"
This got the whole fact-thingy started. But you don´t seem to remember what you said a few days ago as you also don´t seem to remember the kickstarter-campaign.
Are you really that forgetful or are you just trying to turn things around on me now?
I assume no personal opinions are allowed on this forum. Nevermind, here's a fact: Ferrania got backed because it was made clear that their goal was to produce colour reversal film. Here's another: No colour reversal film has yet been produced. You could argue that the money was used to save the equipment, but the final goal was to make colour reversal film. You just don't want to hear it.
others would just coll me a liar for saying that, but there you go...You are obviously correct! The money was collected to start at business to make color reversal film. There is no doubt about it. It is clearly stated in their crowdfunding documents.
No they claim that they are producing and stocking up to avoid not meeting demand (unless DB is straight out lying):They claim that they cannot make film because their supplier cannot slit or package or whatever
in this article dated 2013 they say that the first films they will produce are ferrania solaris FG100 and a new E6 film based on scotch chrome. In this and in many other articles of that time they made it sound like new colour film was gonna happen in a couple of years.I'm sorry, but color reversal film was not the ultimate goal. The ultimate goal was to create a new film manufacturer that would be around for 100 years and would be able to re-create any film from Ferrania's past. A color reversal film was just one more step on the road to that goal.
I wish you two, Berri and Harry, would give it a rest. Really.
You are right, the campaign was just to acquire the machinery. My wrong. I was wrong to think that this was intended as a first step to make colour reversal film, eventually. I honestly remember though that when the campaign started a lot of people (on this forum as well as others) were already asking for ferrania chrome in 126, sheet film, and soo on. among this load of people many were backers, now you could say that all of them were just silly to believe that, but they are still backers who gave money in the hope one day ferrania could produce colour reversal film. That's all
You are obviously correct! The money was collected to start at business to make color reversal film. There is no doubt about it. It is clearly stated in their crowdfunding documents.
Then, as in any business things can go wrong, unforeseen can happen and there can have been miscalculations from the beginning. All understandable.
However, the new information coming out that they are working on film for a research project makes me wonder. If it is true, which I have not been able to verify, it would mean that Film Ferrania is lying. They claim that they cannot make film because their supplier cannot slit or package or whatever, but the truth would be that they are busy with another project. So, nobody knows if this is true or not. We only have the Google translation of that Italian new article.
Thus, David Bias! Enlighten us!
others would just coll me a liar for saying that, but there you go...
Now it just sounds like all they wanted to do was to save the machines, and maybe, who knows, produce some little film.
About the specialty film I have nothing to say because I just don't know. The article however seems to go in that direction. "Oltre alle attività di ricerca per la produzione dei propri prodotti, FILM Ferrania ha progettato per il laboratorio del Gran Sasso una nuova generazione di film nucleare sul tipo di quello già utilizzato nel progetto Opera, in grado di identificare la presenza di neutrini ed essere utilizzato per applicazioni di vulcanologia. Data la notevole specificità del know-how recuperato e la sua applicabilità anche ad altri settori industriali tecnologicamente avanzati (nanotecnologie, produzione di film sottili per schermi LCD, ecc.)" which is clearly sayng that Ferrania has projected a special nuclear film for the Gran Sasso Laboratory, although It isn't clear wheter it is refering to old Ferrania, or new Ferrania. Anyway, let's hope that film isn't scratched or reserchers might think they found a new particle! Immagine that! "A new particle discovered...no, wait, it was jusat a scratch on film"
in this article dated 2013 they say that the first films they will produce are ferrania solaris FG100 and a new E6 film based on scotch chrome. In this and in many other articles of that time they made it sound like new colour film was gonna happen in a couple of years.
http://www.clickblog.it/post/85917/ferrania-ricomincera-a-produrre-pellicole
in this one http://www.repubblica.it/economia/a...rno_della_pellicola_per_film_e_foto-96368278/
Nicola and maco say that they are just about to start producing film for S8 16mm and still. In this article is also made clear that the regional government are paying the rent for the buildings.
As stated, the goal was to make film for the rewards, and use the left over money to buy the machines, in that order. All this revisionist history that the Kickstarter program was never about making film is pure hokum. Now, I understand that things didn't work out as they planned for all sorts of reasons, but the plan all along was to make film - color film, not just buy machines.
Are you two just tired of reading, or are you fine with those Berris stating alternative facts?
Fell free to ignore this post if you´re just tired of reading. And regarding the latter... you probably also will ignore this post.
Please correct me if i´m wrong.
No, I don't ignore anyone. Carry on if you must.
Mr, as I said I don't know weather they are or not producing atomic film. I just translated what an article say. Why don't you just call the Gran Sasso laboratory and ask yourself. The scratches are a notorious defect (feature?) on P30, at least as what I saw on the internet, and that was a joke, anyway. you take things to seriusly. I have some free time, yes. Don't you?Now you´re allready speculating (hope that film isn´t scratched) on a speculation (does Ferrania produce atomic film right now?). You seem to have a lot of time. And facts.
Actually, I already said thet you were right and I was wrong about it, what more do you want to hear? The money was to save machines from the junkyard, they never intended to produce film with it.Seems were getting closer on the what-was-the-money-for---issue. Nice
Exactly my point. They can coat any formula that anyone has including multilayer reversal film from Ferrania if they are asked.
PE
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