Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

railwayman3 · Feb 4, 2016

TheToadMen said:
Yes, this one (expiring 2017):

For those in the UK, our local Poundland still has a good stock of the 24 exp. version (for £1 per roll, obviously ), expiry Nov 2017.

pbromaghin · Feb 10, 2016

Latest news email through kickstarter:

Posted by FILM Ferrania
Ciao a Tutti!
Before we get started, we would like to apologize for the long spans between updates. We have been truly amazed and humbled by your patience and support, but we are also well aware that we cannot take this for granted.

We've just published a new article on our website - Dead Link Removed - that we really hope you will take a moment to read. We believe it will help to put the past year into perspective. Comments are open at the bottom of the page, and we encourage you to ask questions!

We are polishing another post that serves as a companion to this one - an interview with our founder, Nicola Baldini. We will notify you when we publish - and we have a few more updates in the works for the very near future!

Finally we wanted to update you on your shipping address. As you might guess, we have received quite a few address changes over the past year. We have been diligent about keeping everything correct in our master database, but so much time has passed that we are going to do a mass update for all backers once we are able to announce the final production schedule. Basically, we'll show you the info we have on file and you'll have an opportunity to make changes. So if you have moved, or you are planning to move soon - don't worry, we'll make sure your reward gets routed properly.

cheers,
The FILM Ferrania Team

P.S. - Dead Link Removed

The link got lost in cut-n-paste. Here is the update: Dead Link Removed

ME Super · Feb 10, 2016

Yes, 2015 was not a good year for Film Ferrania. However, things seem to be looking up now. Thanks for the update, David!

Nzoomed · Feb 10, 2016

Thanks for the update David! I watched the video last night, looking forward to seeing more videos from you guys, keep up the good work! Im looking forward to shooting my first roll of Ferrania film!

Prest_400 · Feb 11, 2016

The update is very welcome and glad to see things have been advancing. Rome wasn't built in a day. It's good to read that despite the original plans could not be followed, this process allowed to consolidate and improve the factory for definitive production.
Also, the new timeline posted places production really soon! Good

FILM Ferrania · Feb 13, 2016

Prest_400 said:
The update is very welcome and glad to see things have been advancing. Rome wasn't built in a day. It's good to read that despite the original plans could not be followed, this process allowed to consolidate and improve the factory for definitive production.
Also, the new timeline posted places production really soon! Good

Two new updates today - Dead Link Removed - and check the Dead Link Removed a great bit of fresh news!

Ken Nadvornick · Feb 13, 2016

Some February 13, 2016 excerpts I found interesting:

"Everything is now scheduled for the spring of 2016..."

"For market strategy reasons, the first film produced by FILM Ferrania will be a color reversal film in the following speeds: 64D, 100D, 200D, 400D, 640T, 800/3200T. Subsequently the introduction of a negative film is also scheduled (derived from last Solaris film) in 100, 200 and 400 ISO speeds. The release date of the negative film will depend on the market demand."

"The first film will be initially available in only 4 standard formats: 135 and 120 for still photography, as well as Super8 and 16mm (30m spool core and 122 meters) for motion pictures."

"In order to allow enthusiasts to develop films at home, we’ll provide all the necessary support documentation in a specific section of our website. Supporting users for this activity has been one of our goals from the beginning, and we are eager to share this information as soon as we can."

"Customers will be able to buy our products directly from our website, from selected dealers, or in the shops that want to keep them in stock."

"...with money raised from the Kickstarter campaign, we have bought the packaging and converting lines from the old Ferrania for almost all still and motion picture formats; it is a real insurance for the future of analog film."

"The coating machine that we have is very flexible in terms of productivity and it can be configured in different ways depending on the level of demand of the market. We are talking about color film that is normally produced with 16 emulsion layers, unlike black and white film that needs only 2 or 4. A plausible production level for the plant will settle in about 24,000 sqm/year of color material in our first year."

Ken

MartinCrabtree · Feb 13, 2016

Shall I interpret the above to say the reversal film will be available in the next few months?

Nzoomed · Feb 13, 2016

Ken Nadvornick said:
Some February 13, 2016 excerpts I found interesting:

"Everything is now scheduled for the spring of 2016..."

"For market strategy reasons, the first film produced by FILM Ferrania will be a color reversal film in the following speeds: 64D, 100D, 200D, 400D, 640T, 800/3200T. Subsequently the introduction of a negative film is also scheduled (derived from last Solaris film) in 100, 200 and 400 ISO speeds. The release date of the negative film will depend on the market demand."

"The first film will be initially available in only 4 standard formats: 135 and 120 for still photography, as well as Super8 and 16mm (30m spool core and 122 meters) for motion pictures."

"In order to allow enthusiasts to develop films at home, we’ll provide all the necessary support documentation in a specific section of our website. Supporting users for this activity has been one of our goals from the beginning, and we are eager to share this information as soon as we can."

"Customers will be able to buy our products directly from our website, from selected dealers, or in the shops that want to keep them in stock."

"...with money raised from the Kickstarter campaign, we have bought the packaging and converting lines from the old Ferrania for almost all still and motion picture formats; it is a real insurance for the future of analog film."

"The coating machine that we have is very flexible in terms of productivity and it can be configured in different ways depending on the level of demand of the market. We are talking about color film that is normally produced with 16 emulsion layers, unlike black and white film that needs only 2 or 4. A plausible production level for the plant will settle in about 24,000 sqm/year of color material in our first year."

Ken

Awesome news!
And will be great to see a64 ISO reversal film as an alternative to Kodachrome 64!
Also awesome to see an 800 ISO reversal film!
I believe that ferrania had the fastest E6 film ever made, and this will reflect this if we see a scotchchrome 800 film once more!

BradleyK · Feb 13, 2016

I cannot wait to get my hands on some of the 400 and 800/1600 emulsions! Post demise of Ektachrome 400 and Provia 400F, I have had to shoot much of my existing light color on d*****l, rather than my preferred film.

pbromaghin · Feb 13, 2016

Ohhhhh. This is wonderful to read.

1L6E6VHF · Feb 14, 2016

The mention of 64D seems very encouraging. It's the "natural" speed for many cameras using the 110, 126 and 127 size films.

Black Dog · Feb 14, 2016

BradleyK said:
I cannot wait to get my hands on some of the 400 and 800/1600 emulsions! Post demise of Ektachrome 400 and Provia 400F, I have had to shoot much of my existing light color on d*****l, rather than my preferred film.

Hyper!

Athiril · Feb 14, 2016

Damn, I was keen on a 25 speed colour negative that hard sharpness going for it. But keen to try the 100 and 64D.

Is the 64D going to be a high contrast/high saturation film?

Nzoomed · Feb 15, 2016

Hey Dave,

I think this person is onto it for DIY film processing!

It might be possible to partner up with him and market the machine?
Since Film Ferrania want to make it easy as possible for people to process their own film, this could be the answer.

Lachlan Young · Feb 15, 2016

Nzoomed said:
Hey Dave,

I think this person is onto it for DIY film processing!

It might be possible to partner up with him and market the machine?
Since Film Ferrania want to make it easy as possible for people to process their own film, this could be the answer.

I recollect that he's working with Heiland to batch manufacture the machines - first 5 will be 2K EUR, then somewhat higher in price.

Oxleyroad · Feb 15, 2016

I can't wait. Read some of the posts on the kick starter pages, and hey if there is anyone that can't wait any longer I'll have their film.

Ricardo Miranda · Feb 16, 2016

Nzoomed said:
Hey Dave,

I think this person is onto it for DIY film processing!

It might be possible to partner up with him and market the machine?
Since Film Ferrania want to make it easy as possible for people to process their own film, this could be the answer.

Who wants an expensive piece of kit like that?
Only the guys with deep pockets, but these are in "aura" of the Leica M9 and other things.

With re-new interest in E6 by the photo public, then the rest will come suit: labs, technicians and machinery, proper E6 mini-lab machinery that is.
It is like a snow ball or so I hope!

Nzoomed · Feb 16, 2016

Ricardo Miranda said:
Who wants an expensive piece of kit like that?
Only the guys with deep pockets, but these are in "aura" of the Leica M9 and other things.

With re-new interest in E6 by the photo public, then the rest will come suit: labs, technicians and machinery, proper E6 mini-lab machinery that is.
It is like a snow ball or so I hope!

I didnt think it should cost that much to produce!
Its basically an arduino powered machine. They could be mass produced in china rather cheaply i would think, but getting the production set up is where the costs are. I thought it should be significantly cheaper than a jobo.

Anyway, im sure someone will come up with a way to make a cheaper machine anyway.

Ken Nadvornick · Feb 16, 2016

I'm guessing such an automated system must be targeted toward those who have never hand-processed film before? And may perhaps be somewhat put off by a perception that it's really hard to do manually? Because that's certainly a lot of automation for what is essentially a very simple task. Unless, of course, one doesn't know how simple it really is.

In any case, I support anything that will move people, especially newcomers, into the film realm. There is also this less automated solution, for those who may already have an investment in a separate developing tank system:

TAS Film Processor

Ken

Roger Cole · Feb 16, 2016

That's awesome news!

My first reaction was that speeds of 64, 100 and 200 were rather redundant and I hoped that the sales of three didn't spread the market over three films that would have bought one and hurt sales, but people seem enthused about 64. I'd only use 64 if it offered some really clear and substantial advantage or difference from the 100, but that's me. What I really miss is Provia 400X so the availability of a daylight 400 and tungsten 800 that's pushable is excellent news indeed.

Ken Nadvornick · Feb 16, 2016

Maybe Ferrania downloaded the patent info and purchased some extended know-how for Kodachrome 64...*

Ken

* Kidding, Dave. Just kidding. Really. Honest.

Nzoomed · Feb 16, 2016

Ken Nadvornick said:
I'm guessing such an automated system must be targeted toward those who have never hand-processed film before? And may perhaps be somewhat put off by a perception that it's really hard to do manually? Because that's certainly a lot of automation for what is essentially a very simple task. Unless, of course, one doesn't know how simple it really is.

In any case, I support anything that will move people, especially newcomers, into the film realm. There is also this less automated solution, for those who may already have an investment in a separate developing tank system:

TAS Film Processor

Ken

Processing b&w by hand is easy, but colour films, especially E6 are very sensitive to temperature. I know many who have stuffed up by hand.

Ricardo Miranda · Feb 16, 2016

Roger Cole said:
That's awesome news!

My first reaction was that speeds of 64, 100 and 200 were rather redundant and I hoped that the sales of three didn't spread the market over three films that would have bought one and hurt sales, but people seem enthused about 64. I'd only use 64 if it offered some really clear and substantial advantage or difference from the 100, but that's me. What I really miss is Provia 400X so the availability of a daylight 400 and tungsten 800 that's pushable is excellent news indeed.

Your wishes are your commands: https://www.macodirect.de/en/cat/index/sCategory/832

Roger Cole · Feb 17, 2016

Ricardo Miranda said:
Your wishes are your commands: https://www.macodirect.de/en/cat/index/sCategory/832

Oh I know I can still get it, if I want to pay what it costs now. It's pretty rediculous though, doubly so if I paid shipping from Europe. Last I looked (last week) I could get some from US sources but at about $30 a roll. Compare to about $10 for Provia 100F or 400x before it was discontinued. I have enough in my freezer to last through 2016 for my needs.

Nzoomed said:
Processing b&w by hand is easy, but colour films, especially E6 are very sensitive to temperature. I know many who have stuffed up by hand.

I processed a lot of E6 by hand before I had a Jobo and never once "stuffed up" a single roll. While they list very critical temperatures they really aren't as critical as claimed, if you don't demand absolute professional level consistency for, say, advertising, which no one does anymore. I used a big tub of tempering water and put my solutions into metal softdrink cans (carefully labeled and used only during processing) because they transmit temperature changes quicker. Only the first developer is critical. The color developer is "sort of critical compared to black and white" but not nearly as much as the first developer. It's a bit hectic but I wouldn't call it difficult.

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