Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

[skorpiius]

WOW! I wish we could still do this.

Has that completely vanished from the states?
I know it can still be done in western canada, from one drugstore chain which still does 1 hr photo as well, but that might be it.

 

[MattKing]

I can buy over-priced Kodak film from my local grocery store.

 

[kb3lms]

Has that completely vanished from the states?

In my immediate area, yes. I can't say about much bigger towns and cities. The local CVS was the last place that had any but that was probably a year ago. On the other hand, there are great selections and pricing to be found online and then I don't have to go out and get it, thereby reducing my carbon footprint. The UPS truck goes by my house everyday anyway.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Been following Ferrania since this all started.... They must be close to coating emulsion by now, no?

 

[Nzoomed]

I'd agree...one of the big problems with film production was the size of Kodak's plant and the difficulty of scaling down for small volume coating. (Noting Bob Shanebrook's book, and also, IIRC, the mention at the time of Kodachrome's discontinuance that one reason was the final single master roll produced enough finished films to cover several year's sales.) The demand for E6 is probably falling to the same as Kodachrome reached, so I can't see a once-a-year special coating being profitable for Kodak, not forgetting that there is then the matter of distribution to customers. Ferrania, with small-scale production, distributed direct or via a few specialist dealers, looks a much more viable proposition.

I dont think that a one year production would be an issue for Kodak anyway, especially if they actually start marketing down the retro path like it appears they are doing with Super8, then we may see Kodak being successful.

Also remember that Kodak did have their own research coaters, whether or not they still have one operational remains to be seen, but if so, im sure they would be able to do the same things as ferrania on a smaller coater.

I feel that for super8 to be successful, that reversal film has to be available, im not interested in shooting vision3, as i cant project it, unless the labs will be making prints for projection.

Kodak should understand this, as alot of super8 shooters out there use their projectors. Shooting negative film stock is really only targeting film makers and students etc. It would bring it more to the masses if it was possible to shoot on reversal stock.

 

[Photo Engineer]

The research coater(s) are still operational! So is production. And, Kodak is (or was) seeking coating engineers.

PE

 

[Black Dog]

WOW! I wish we could still do this.

I'm chuffed to bits that I can!

 

[Sirius Glass]

I'm chuffed to bits that I can!

Chuffed has two usages: one positive and one negative. I am confused :confused: which one exactly do you mean?

 

[MattKing]

The research coater(s) are still operational! So is production. And, Kodak is (or was) seeking coating engineers.

PE

If you would like us to, we will let you out of the barn.

 

[chromacomaphoto]

Chuffed has two usages: one positive and one negative. I am confused :confused: which one exactly do you mean?

In British English, it always means delighted, thrilled or generally very happy.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Ok, another reason that one should not live in the past.

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/114209/chuffed-happy-or-unhappy

 

[MattKing]

Ok, another reason that one should not live in the past.

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/114209/chuffed-happy-or-unhappy

At least if you do you have a great theme song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8

(I cannot get my head around that that is from almost 50 years ago)

 

[Brac]

Lomography offer a 110 size slide film called Peacock 200. It seems to be mainly promoted for cross-processing in C41 but their site does say it is an E6 slide film. I wonder who makes that for them? I've never bought it, so I don't know.

 

[Roger Cole]

Fuji crystal archive is supposed to last as long as Ilfochrome, and indeed it does appear so from what ive seen.

Um, yeah, so what?

I didn't say anything about longevity. My point was that with Ilfochrome and Type R papers (which crystal archive is NOT, it is RA4) gone the only really practical way of making prints from transparency film now is with a hybrid work flow. If I could still print transparencies optically onto Ilfochrome or Type R I would.

Is "type R" that unfamiliar to the world now? These were papers made for darkroom printing and chemical processing that were pos/pos - made positive prints from transparencies but using a conventional chromogenic process not the dye bleach of Ilfochrome. They worked well. I made a lot of prints on Kodak 2203. Granted, my main motivation for using it then was that I was a broke college student and the full cost was less than 1/2 that of gloss Ilfochrome and still substantially less than the RC Pearl Ilfochrome that some on here also didn't believe existed when I mentioned it before until someone else linked to info about it.

Being the old fart who remembers things others don't is something I'm still trying to come to terms with. Sigh.

Anyway, I'm really baffled what on earth my statement could even remotely have to do with archival qualities of Ilfochrome and Crystal Archive??

 

[Roger Cole]

Why? It's not that Ferrania is set up tu just produce 100ISO chrome film, but they can/could make any film, negative, bw, color or whatever in a myriad of formats (could they make a clone of kodachrome? ). Chrome 100 is the starting point since there is a void in the market right now.
Also if ever EK reintroduces e100 in Super8 it does not mean we will have it too ad 35mm of 120 film, or 16mm cine film. And this would still not prevent Ferrania to introduce other types of transparencies.

Weirdly enough, chrome 100 is the one place there is NOT a void right now with both Velvia and Provia available.

There is a void in higher speed, there is a void in slower speeds with normal (as opposed to very high like Velvia) saturation and contrast.

I think the "void" is probably seen as Super 8 and other cine film. That is a void, albeit a small demand one.

 

[Nzoomed]

Anyway, I'm really baffled what on earth my statement could even remotely have to do with archival qualities of Ilfochrome and Crystal Archive??

Well thats all ive ever read about what made Ilfochrome so amazing! lol

Anyway, its other photo labs that have told me that Fuji Crystal Archive replaced Ilfochrome's use.


I would love to have had some prints done on it myself, but no labs are doing it anymore in NZ.

There are a handful in the US who have a good stock on chemicals etc.

 

[Nzoomed]

The research coater(s) are still operational! So is production. And, Kodak is (or was) seeking coating engineers.

PE

That is good news to hear indeed!

I thought i asked here some time back on another thread and was told they had scrapped pretty much everything except their one last coating facility currently being used.

I think they should easily be able to use their research coater(s) if Ferrania is successful with theirs.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...with Ilfochrome and Type R papers (which crystal archive is NOT, it is RA4) gone the only really practical way of making prints from transparency film now is with a hybrid work flow...

...Is "type R" that unfamiliar to the world now?...

Probably no more unfamiliar than internegatives are.

 

[Photo Engineer]

I remember when the original Type "C" and "R" papers came out, originating those names in the culture of the time and up to now. I've used both as well as the original Ilfochrome paper. That goes back quite a few years.

PE

 

[flavio81]

Weirdly enough, chrome 100 is the one place there is NOT a void right now with both Velvia and Provia available.

But at prices higher than ever. Granted, the technology is at its maximum best as well.

But i think the "void" is for an affordable 100-speed slide film.

 

[pbromaghin]

I'm looking for a replacement for Velvia 400.

 

[Roger Cole]

Well thats all ive ever read about what made Ilfochrome so amazing! lol

Anyway, its other photo labs that have told me that Fuji Crystal Archive replaced Ilfochrome's use.


I would love to have had some prints done on it myself, but no labs are doing it anymore in NZ.

There are a handful in the US who have a good stock on chemicals etc.

It's (crystal archive) only a substitute for Ilfochrome if you scan a transparency and then output it to Crystal Archive using one of the devices that exposes the paper to laser light from a digital source.

The basic difference (besides chromogenic versus dye bleach) between the two is that Crystal Archive makes prints from color negatives and is processed in RA4 chemicals while Ilfochrome (called Cibachrome when I used it) made prints directly from color transparencies. They're as different as C41 and E6 - more different really.

Probably no more unfamiliar than internegatives are.

Yeah. Sigh.


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[fdonadio]

I'm looking for a replacement for Velvia 400.

Do you mean Provia 400X?

I am down to my last couple of rolls of that.


Flavio

 

[pbromaghin]

Do you mean Provia 400X?

I am down to my last couple of rolls of that.


Flavio

No, it's been few years, but I think I was shooting Velvia 400. Either one would be fine.

 

[Roger Cole]

No, it's been few years, but I think I was shooting Velvia 400. Either one would be fine.

There has never been Velvia 400.