Hazards of shooting digital medium format

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As much as "the market" wants to work with JPEGs, I just can't understand why. JPEG was meant to be a destination format, not a working format. Even at the inception of the JPEG format, we still had TIFF, bitmap and other formats. Photoshop, et. al, have always worked with images in some form of TIFF/bitmap and only converted to JPEG upon final output. While it has always been possible to take JPEG as input, convert to the "internal" format, edit then output to JPEG again, I think it was only meant to be the means to an end. Not an end, by itself. Even though these format conversions take place seamlessly, there will always be some information loss.

Thus, I think that people who demand to work in JPEG are selling themselves short.

Anybody who wants quality images should always work in the best format they have available and only convert to the destination format when their work is completed. Even then, they should still retain their work in the original format after the product has been delivered. I can't see any reason not to work with your images in RAW or DNG format or, at least TIFF/bitmap.

This is just my basic understanding of how things work. I am sure some of you who understand things better will correct me where I have gone wrong. However, I think my basic premise still stands: Always work in the highest quality format you have available then convert to the destination at the final step.

I refuse to believe that "JPEG = Picture." My response is, "JPEG = Crap."

If you want quality, use something else. If you want to work in an all-digital work flow, that's fine. If you want to shoot film then scan to digital, that's fine, too. Let the demands of your business guide your work flow. A daily, weekly or other recurring publication might very well demand that your work flow be predominantly digital but any graphic designer who is worth his salt should understand the various digital formats and he should understand their strengths and weaknesses. He should know how to do his job in the best way possible and he should not conform to the lowest common denominator just because he think it is somehow "easier."

When I hear people say, "Graphic designers want JPEG," I am incredulous. I just can't believe that anybody who takes pride in their work and wants to do it well would sacrifice quality just to conform to the lowest common denominator. The technology we have today is advanced enough that even the home hobbyist should be able to work on some form of RAW, DNG or TIFF/bitmap format.

These days, any "idiot" who can push a mouse and make pretty pictures on a computer screen thinks he is a "Graphic Designer" but that's just not so. It might look easy but it's not. People who really know the ins and outs of image making should know how to do their job in the best way possible. These days, with the technology we have, it should be a trivial thing to use RAW/DNG/TIFF. Most computers and software available today understand how. If not, it should only be a matter of installing the right plug-ins or updating to a new version of your software.

If people are not willing to do that, it doesn't matter what kind of camera they use. Neither film or the latest whiz-bang digital gizmos will help them. As far as I am concerned, they will always be stuck in the mud.
 

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And with digital shot straight to JPEG you can print it straight from the camera. May not be good but the expectations seem to be lower today. Cameras will let you do a bit of basic cropping before you print it but mostly they expect to get something usable straight out of the camera.

I'm not trying to make an argument here but the above statement is like saying, "I'll take my results to the drugstore for 1 hour processing and printing".
 

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I agree on both counts. Digital shooters all think the print button is awful and that you should always shoot Raw and work in TIFF but the cameras only output in Raw or JPEG so if you don't have time to convert them to TIFF then you're stuck with JPEG. Often it takes months for Photoshop to be able to read the new Raw formats with the new cameras. I don't understand why Raw has to change with each camera but for some bizarre reason, it tends to...
 

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Often it takes months for Photoshop to be able to read the new Raw formats with the new cameras. I don't understand why Raw has to change with each camera but for some bizarre reason, it tends to...

That's the reason why DNG was invented. Isn't it?
It is supposed to be a universally compatible format which does not change between different camera manufacturers.

Yet another hazard... I can shoot my film in any 35mm camera, develop it using the same chemicals and equipment, print it on the same enlarger and produce the same quality product regardless of whether the camera is a Nikon, a Pentax or a Canon.
 

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I can have a nice picture printed on glossy paper less than a day after exposing the film.

Maybe, but the business model of some of the photo studios in Walmart or larger malls is that you come in for a session, you pick two poses from a screen after the sitting, and you pick up a pack of pictures before you leave to go home.

From a money perspective, you just can't beat the turn rate of that.

Not saying I like it, but it's what customers pay for. Money talk, and other stuff walks.

You have to drive up the quality and get the customer to demand it, or they'll choose convenient.
 

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That's right and unfortunately if they have to pick it up later they may not feel like paying today and coming back to the store again to pick them up so they may just decide not to bother. Giving them something to buy and take home today while they're excited about it is unfortunately a better way to get money out of them. Faster, better, cheaper, pick two they say and these days it seems fast and cheap are the ones chosen most often.
 

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In order to use film professionally now, it is necessary to "retrain" most clients. It takes work, and you will not always be successful, but if you take your time and effort to do it and do it well, it usually pays off for both you and the client. We must, of course, also be able to realize when digital would be the better tool for the job at hand, and not push film in these situations. (Why would we want to anyhow?)

Most of the time, it is only stuff that is for very deadline-sensitive use that truly requires the speed of digital in order for the client to make money and be competitive. For instance, photos for newspaper use. For most other things, people paying for images have simply become accustomed to instant gratification even though it is not needed, and need to be retrained if we want to use film professionally.
 
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