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Thank you. Very helpful.Ilford told me that they have done a lot of work to resolve the problem and thought they had succeeded. They said that films where the batch number began with "FF -----" should be alright and I have found this is true of the FF films that I have exposed.
Tony
When Ilford says use the film before its expiration date, we must take it seriously these days. I doubt there is a 120 roll film that won't do this if left to expire before using it.
The problem is "fixed" but you would be well advised to take the expiration dates on the package quite literally.
I think there may be more than one, or if there is only one, they make a variety of backing papers. Ilford paper is not the same as Fuji, nor is Kodak the same as the others. Can't speak for Cinestill or Rollei, Bergger or Agfa, I haven't used them much or recently. But Catlabs is definitely quite different than any of the above, their backing paper seems of lesser quality with a softer, rougher finish and is easier to tear. I use and continue to use almost 90% Ilford HP5+, some fresh, some expired. I have had mottling problems, maybe 3 or 4 out of hundreds of rolls. I also had the end sealing tape come off a roll of Ilford film, ending up inside the camera and showing up on an entire roll. Ilford replaced the problem rolls, but that's about the limit of their liability.All experienced film manufacturers have had to deal with problems with interaction between 120 film and backing paper.
It is not a recent phenomena.
The problem depends on a myriad number of interactions, and a myriad selection of factors.
As none of the film manufacturers make their own backing paper any more, and as there is only a very small number (perhaps only one) of paper manufacturers and printers who have the capacity to make it - it is quite difficult to make - it isn't possible for the film manufacturers to eliminate them.
The frequency of occurrence seems to be unpredictable, but you will never be able to count it out with certainty.
Storage and handling affects it - both before and after sale to the consumer.
And the older the film, the more likely it is to be visited by it.
Fairly recently, it nearly forced Eastman Kodak to stop making 120 film altogether.
So be cautious about eliminating from consideration one of the highest quality and reliable sources.
Too bad. I bought a couple of rolls of FP4 but time flies too fast for me these days that they rolls now have expired. I'll take them to the recycling station. They will be the last Ilford films I bought. I never had any problems with mottling, but I don't want to take any chances.
is “plastic paper.” It was somewhat popular in the 80’s and 90’s. But I would think it would cause more problems because ink does not absorb well into the paper making it more susceptible to transfer to the film emulsion. I may be mistaken but the mottling I have experienced seems to be caused by humidity from the backing paper getting to the emulsion.For clarity, the problem is with the interaction between modern backing papers, modern inks, and modern emulsions.
All three have gone through changes - in some cases massive ones - since the times when we saw the problem less frequently. But the problem was always there.
The current type of backing paper used by Kodak - which is itself almost plastic - seems to be reasonably good at preventing those interaction problems, but the secrets of how it is put together are closely guarded ones.
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is “plastic paper.” It was somewhat popular in the 80’s and 90’s. But I would think it would cause more problems because ink does not absorb well into the paper making it more susceptible to transfer to the film emulsion. I may be mistaken but the mottling I have experienced seems to be caused by humidity from the backing paper getting to the emulsion.
Ok, I'll save my exp. date 2023 rolls of FP4. I have a roll in a holder I'll develop soon and hope for the best. Apropos restored Retinas, I should load a roll in one, but that's 135 film.It's not an Ilford problem, it's a 120 format problem, no matter whose film you're using. The way modern backing papers are made, they foul the film if left in contact for too long, hence the expiration dates. I have experienced this with Ilford, Kodak, Foma, Agfa and other 120 roll films if left to expire (and not stored cold).
You might as well not buy any 120 roll films if you don't expect to use them in a timely manner.
If backing paper is such an expense, I wonder about two factors. First, a roll of 120 film costs about the same as a 36-exposure roll of 35mm, yet is about the same surface area but needs the aforementioned expensive paper.
Second, why has 220 film been discontinued, since it doesn’t have backing paper, just leader and trailer?
I had some rolls of HP5 120 film (expired Feb 23) that I shot this year, they came back from development at a reputable lab (AG) and all the shadows were full of small blotches (picture is after scanning and reversal). The film had been stored in a drawer for a few years. I assume this is the backing paper-related problem.
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