They probably also say nothing about the archival qualities of the film.Those washes are in multiple stabilizer baths. The instructions say there are no water baths at all. ("Commonly asked questions" on the last page.)
As I understand it, many modern minilabs are designed for a "waterless" process, so these chemicals would be consistent with that.
One of the Kodak Z information sheets - Z-100 - states at the top of page I-3:
"Wash
Most minilabs operate without a wash step; however, some older minilabs use wash water to remove residual chemicals from film or paper."
Well somebody has got it wrong. As has been said, the instructions and the Q&A at the end in their leaflet specifically exclude washing and even say what has been confirmed by TonyB65, namely that washing is detrimental. It would seem as others have said that it is based on the waterless automatic process and in the Bellini kit the amount of stabiliser used which is much greater, performs what in the "normal" process is wash then stabiliser.I asked directly to them and they say you actually need to wash the film with water after fixing. It is a normal c41 process.
Well somebody has got it wrong. As has been said, the instructions and the Q&A at the end in their leaflet specifically exclude washing and even say what has been confirmed by TonyB65, namely that washing is detrimental. It would seem as others have said that it is based on the waterless automatic process and in the Bellini kit the amount of stabiliser used which is much greater, performs what in the "normal" process is wash then stabiliser.
Interesting that the bleach and fix stages are much reduced compared to other C41 processes. I have seen as much as 6 mins 30 secs recommended for bleach and fix respectively. I carefully copied the revised instructions for the Digibase process and adding it up it comes to 24 mins 45 secs which is a very long time for one film.
Will no water and shorter times for bleach and fix be detrimental to the longevity of the film? Well, we may not know until several years or even a decide or two have passed
pentaxuser
Well somebody has got it wrong. As has been said, the instructions and the Q&A at the end in their leaflet specifically exclude washing and even say what has been confirmed by TonyB65, namely that washing is detrimental. It would seem as others have said that it is based on the waterless automatic process and in the Bellini kit the amount of stabiliser used which is much greater, performs what in the "normal" process is wash then stabiliser.
TonyB65, I have just looked at the kit. It works out at about £2 per roll but apparently some users get more rolls out of the kit. However Nik&trick do not give any detail how this is done. Do you know? Secondly in most kits the stabiliser, bleach and fix have a much longer life than the developer so can you buy replacement developer separately as you can with the Digibase kit?
How have you found the developer in terms of longevity i.e. if someone does one film only at a time, over a period how long will the developer stay fresh and what does it need to retain its freshness? Is it enough to simply close the bottle or is some kind of protection needed such as "Protectan" gas?
Thanks
pentaxuser
I do not see why omittion of the washless stabilizer and instead using the standard washing procedure and a standard stabilizer at its end should be detrimental.
I expect the contrary.
A "washless" workflow has distinct advantages in a commercial environment - faster times and lower water and electricity use.
So the prescribed "washless" workflow may be an advantage for many customers. That doesn't mean that the materials are incompatible with other workflows.
The manufacturer should be consulted.
Understood, but the "may" in that sentence might be due to the fact that the kit doesn't include an after-the-wash stabilizer.It specifically states on the data sheet "this kit requires no water washes at all, in fact a water wash may have a detrimental effect"
It specifically states on the data sheet "this kit requires no water washes at all, in fact a water wash may have a detrimental effect"
The kit just states that its good for 14 films, user feedback is that it's good for quite a few more, that's the whole kit, not just Blix and stab, that's as much as I know, I'll be testing it so see how far it goes in the coming months.TonyB65, I think you are saying that that the kit is so devised that all the chemical are used up together i.e after you have developed X films all the chemicals have been used so the kit's instructions mean that after a set number of films the bleach and fix should be thrown away so in that sense the bleach and fix disappear down the drain because the kit's instructions tell you to throw out the bleach and fix. I fhtis is the case this is unusual in that in most kits the bleach and fix outlast the developer and are still fit for purpose, hence the benefit of being able to replace the developer only.
So do the kit's instructions ask that you throw away the bleach and fix after the developer has been used for the correct number of times?
pentaxuser
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Bellini likely refer to a plain water wash without a respective final bath.
To some extend that might be detrimental. In the past some films needed a special final treatment to stop some selfdestructing reaction. And there still is the issue of microorganisms under certain circumstances.
But this does not exclude following a current, standard C-41 washing routine.
Si consiglia di preparare 1 -2 litri di Stabilizzatore anche a temperatura ambiente e di lavare 3-4 volte la pellicola cambiando il Bagno.
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