Has Adox MCC 110 Changed?

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Can somebody tell me about production date of that one ?

Jan. 31st 2013 made from the new coating with less hardener in.

This is from the intermediate productions where we just started printing manufacturing dates on MCC paper.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

...put into the box after changing the emulsions

There was no change in emulsion.
We added a tiny bit less hardener to the protective layer in order to pull even with our competition.

 

[AgX]

I call this a change of emulsion. Especially if the effect would be substantial concerning ferrotyping.

Or with other words, it is not importing how one calls it as long there is care taken that the user will not get into difficulties by surprise.

 

[brian steinberger]

I've never seen any change in MGIV and it frustrates me as I'd like to have a slight change such as Oriental papers... Slightly bluish. I otherwise really like Ilford's offerings.
You must have an extremely sharp eye to notice a change.

Try MGIV in Kodak rapid selenium at 1:9, or even 1:5 or 1:3 ( make sure you have good ventilation). You should notice a difference within minutes. The greenish cast with be removed. I normally tone 1:9 for 6-8 minutes and it's a beautiful charcoal cold tone.

 

[Keith Tapscott.]

I found this to be an interesting discussion. A pity though that graded papers such as Ilford Galerie are overlooked these days.

 

[K-G]

I found this to be an interesting discussion. A pity though that graded papers such as Ilford Galerie are overlooked these days.

I quite agree ! If you have negatives that match paper grades 2 and 3 ( thats what is available in Galerie ) and don't need to do split filter Printing , then ILFORD Galerie is the absolutely best paper on the market.

Karl-Gustaf

 

[YOU]

There was no change in emulsion.
We added a tiny bit less hardener to the protective layer in order to pull even with our competition.

I am so glad that I finally found out the reason why I'd noticed the difference! Even though it's not really a change of emulsion,the characteristics,from a point of view of printer, isn't really same at all.However, the best thing to me is that I much prefer the new one. By the way,I was told that Fotoimpex had only new version of MCC in stock in any sizes.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

I'm contemplating ordering one box of 5x7 MCC 110 (not five ) and wonder if anyone has received either the 25-sheet

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/156572-Adox-Premium-MCC-110-VC-FB-5x7-25-sheets-Glossy​

or 100-sheet

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/156571-Adox-Premium-MCC-110-VC-FB-5x7-100-sheets-Glossy​

boxes from Freestyle lately. If so, was it "new" or "original?" I'm suspicious that the smaller box is old stock since it's priced at less than 1/4 of the larger one!

Thanks in advance for your input.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...The reason why we started printing the production date is because customers asked for it...

I've just received a package of MCC 112 and find no production date on the label. Has this now been incorporated into the emulsion number? For example, it says "1405030555/6/982." Does that mean it was made on the 50th day of 2014? Thanks in advance.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Does that mean it was made on the 50th day of 2014

No we do not use codes to make it complicated. The label should show PROD.:11/2014 on the upper right hand corner. If it does not I have no clue why. Must have been a printing error then. The production sheet was maintained corectly.

Mirko

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

I quite agree ! If you have negatives that match paper grades 2 and 3 ( thats what is available in Galerie ) and don't need to do split filter Printing , then ILFORD Galerie is the absolutely best paper on the market.

In the past I always said we could not make Forte Museum Graded again because of the small volume. This however is one of the things which have changed with the takeover of the medium sized coating machine from Ilford. So technical challenges in making the emulsion let aside from a coating standpoint this could now be possible.

 

[Slixtiesix]

In the past I always said we could not make Forte Museum Graded again because of the small volume. This however is one of the things which have changed with the takeover of the medium sized coating machine from Ilford. So technical challenges in making the emulsion let aside from a coating standpoint this could now be possible.

Yeeeeaaaahhh! Great News!!!

 

[miha]

In the past I always said we could not make Forte Museum Graded again because of the small volume. This however is one of the things which have changed with the takeover of the medium sized coating machine from Ilford. So technical challenges in making the emulsion let aside from a coating standpoint this could now be possible.

Is there any choice for a thicker base or is there no room left for such a luxury from paper mills nowadays?

 

[Sal Santamaura]

I've just received a package of MCC 112 and find no production date on the label. Has this now been incorporated into the emulsion number? For example, it says "1405030555/6/982." Does that mean it was made on the 50th day of 2014? Thanks in advance.

No we do not use codes to make it complicated. The label should show PROD.:11/2014 on the upper right hand corner. If it does not I have no clue why. Must have been a printing error then. The production sheet was maintained corectly.

Mirko

Thanks Mirko. I've attached a picture of the label to this post.

Freestyle had shown that and the 5x7 MCC 110 I also ordered as "In Stock" when my order was placed. The shipment received yesterday included only the MCC 112, along with a backorder notice for the MCC 110. Then they apparently found some in their retail store, because today FedEx returned with the other paper. It too has no production date on the label, which I've also attached a picture of. My suspicion from March of last year (see post #35) must have been well founded, if the 1212030437/5/611 emulsion number similarly indicates manufacture during 2012.

...Our competitors decided to harden their paper less which gives the paper a higher end grade. We decided to pull even on the last production. So if you compare the batches you shall see a higher contrast with high filter values (because the older batch has by now fully hardened and then the gradation comes down) but you should not see any other differences apart from the fact that now you cannot dry the paper on a hot press anymore without using hardener in the fixer...

I have prints made on the first production batch of MCC 110 (around 2010) and, when air dried, they exhibit substantially less surface gloss than those made in a late batch, i.e. last year. Is that a result of the hardener change, or are you at the mercy of what Schoeller supplies and the raw paper changed during that interval? If it's simply the hardener, I'd greatly prefer you go back to the greater hardener of your original MCC 110. I'd happily trade off some maximum contrast potential for a less shiny surface.

 

[Slixtiesix]

Yes, thicker base please! Like the old Fortezo Museum. That would really set it apart from the competition...

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Yes, thicker base please! Like the old Fortezo Museum. That would really set it apart from the competition...

Impossible in Baryta. Only one manufacturer left, only one base left- that´s why we are all using the same. We could use inkjet base though. Foma does this with some of their papers but then you don´t have the true baryta white. Ofcourse one could first coat a baryta undercoat and then the emulsion.....but then it becomes a matter of price.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

I've attached a picture of the label to this post.

This paper has not been (finally) packaged by us. These are emulsion numbers from the 100 sheet packs. Freestyle has a room where they can repackage paper from 100 sheets to 25 sheets if they get more orders for the small quantities and have the bigger packs in stock. In this case the repackage it and apply a new label (rather than have you wait 6 weeks to pull more product from Germany).
it´s a special service they provide.
You can tell by the barcode not being ours as well but the internal Freestyle product number. Everything is corect though since this emulsion number matches the original 100 sheet packs.
I guess you can tell them if you do not want this or you just ask us for the production date.

 

[miha]

Impossible in Baryta. Only one manufacturer left, only one base left- that´s why we are all using the same. We could use inkjet base though. Foma does this with some of their papers but then you don´t have the true baryta white. Ofcourse one could first coat a baryta undercoat and then the emulsion.....but then it becomes a matter of price.

One learns new things every day. Thanks Mirko.

 

[ericdan]

Impossible in Baryta. Only one manufacturer left, only one base left- that´s why we are all using the same. We could use inkjet base though. Foma does this with some of their papers but then you don´t have the true baryta white. Ofcourse one could first coat a baryta undercoat and then the emulsion.....but then it becomes a matter of price.

ILFORD used a Hahnemühle base with their Art paper. Fomabrom also seems to have a different base. It’s less cardboard like and not distractingly glossy.

 

[AgX]

Schoeller as base manufacturer took a different view. They stated that it is not them not offering a variety of baryta bases, but the halide paper manufacturers not ordering such.

 

[miha]

Schoeller as base manufacturer took a different view. They stated that it is not them not offering a variety of baryta bases, but the halide paper manufacturers not ordering such.

Hi AgX, where did you learn this?

 

[AgX]

In negotiations with Schoeller.

The point is that in the past manufacturers claimed that Schoeller made no or no reasonable offer, Schoeller however claimed that their offer is very reasonable. I was told the minimun order volume, but will not go into detail here.

 

[AgX]

But to be fair to both sides, from following this forum over years, I did not get the impression that the urge for a variety of halide baryta surfaces is pronounced.

 

[miha]

The point is that in the past manufacturers claimed that Schoeller made no or no reasonable offer...

True, this very message has been communicated here in the past.

 

[Lachlan Young]

The problem isn't the manufacturers' willingness or not to make a base, it's the size of their paper machines that is the limitation. You can make 500kg of paper on a mould made machine, but a Fourdrinier machine may need several multiples of that - an individual 1600m master roll is about 500kg of paper at double/ premium weight. If people were prepared to pay Art 300 prices ++, then more mould made surfaces could probably be made. Personally, I'd like a pure linen hot press base (naturally high white point, and linen is about the ultimate for archival quality), but I'm under no illusions as to what it would potentially cost - especially as coating packages need adjusting for getting non Baryta base papers to work well with modern coaters.