If an event connected with the launch involves 'photowalks' then it seems to lean towards a film of some sort as opposed to chemistry.
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Or perhaps a photographer-oriented line of clothing and shoes. Or hats and carrying bags.
I'm definitely thinking it's some kind of color film. My only hope is that it's a reversal film, which may lead to a reversal color printing process being re-introduced.
I really wish this actually existed because I think there is a ton of potential for in-camera shooting, as well as printing slides. I would do both!
But if I had to bet, it's a color negative film. Maybe Harman can make an RA4 paper?
I really wish this actually existed because I think there is a ton of potential for in-camera shooting, as well as printing slides. I would do both!
But if I had to bet, it's a color negative film. Maybe Harman can make an RA4 paper?
Kodak colour films are in stock now because they managed to release a bunch of Gold, Ektar and all the Portras just 2-3 months ago into the warehouses. So they're currently in the system. Prior to that there's been a six to seven year issue with availability, especially of the amateur films. And it's likely that Gold will soon become scarce. There was a bit of Color Plus about too but supplies seem to be patchy now.
If it were to be E6, I'd actually suggest they go for something neither Kodak or Fuji are making....and that would be 200 or 400 ISO E6 film. Though the market for this exists, it must be small. However, they'd have it to themselves. A C41 film suitable for consumers (and possibly pros) would have a bigger sales potential but is also competing against products from Kodak, be they labelled Kodak, Fuji or Lomography.
If it were to be E6, I'd actually suggest they go for something neither Kodak or Fuji are making....and that would be 200 or 400 ISO E6 film. Though the market for this exists, it must be small. However, they'd have it to themselves. A C41 film suitable for consumers (and possibly pros) would have a bigger sales potential but is also competing against products from Kodak, be they labelled Kodak, Fuji or Lomography.
MattKing
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For eli, I hope it is a $10 Leica 
It would be easier than C41 film, but the business proposition would be fairly poor, given the competition in that segment. They'd either have to compete head to head with Fuji and a little bit with Lucky for digital print, in which Ilford/Harman have no significant distribution capability or channel control. Or they'd have to focus on the analog color printers only, which would make it incredibly difficult to recoup R&D costs. In that sense, a C41 product would be more logical. Of course, I've stated my concerns about this many times now, but it would of course be absolutely thrilling if this were the case. I still suspect that it'll be a B&W film offering, though.
I think this makes a lot of sense for some. I purchased some 15 35mm rolls of Gold 200 and Ektar 100 last June, to be used for family Summer snaps.
Ektar 100 is of course a thing of wonder, and I always think it is the closest thing to the Kodachrome 64 colours I remember being amazed by during my uncle's family projection sessions.
However I keep being astounded at how good those Gold 200 35mm negatives also are. Excellent reds, yellows, skin tones. A little grainier than Ektar, but not disturbingly so. Plus I love the look of slightly gritty colour film. Ultramax is another extraordinary product.
Is Ilford/Harman about to release another stable 'amateur' C41 film able to compete with Gold/Colorplus in performance and beat them on price? Count me in as a long term user.
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I hope you are wrong. It's like that internets have decided it's definitely a C-41 film (cheap and super fine, of course!). Harman knows that announcing a BW film after everybody was expecting C-41 would be a huge let down. They would've necessarily dropped hints to lower our expectations by now...
I still dream big (if it's not C-41 or E-6 film), I want:
- pack film or
- colour chemistry to get reasonable RA-4 prints from slide film*, plus maybe some filters to ease up the usage of RA-4 as direct positive paper in cameras
* yes, I still can't forget that thread where @Stephen Frizza claimed there are perfect RA-4 prints possible from slide film, basically being a matter of spending some time in darkroom figuring out the chemistry
Well IMHO it's less niche than B&W direct positive or their line of pinhole cameras. But maybe not, hard to say! Sometimes I feel like these things are 'if you build it, they will come'. Heck the Intrepid enlarger is a simulated dichro head via LEDs.
Andrew O'Neill
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I keep going back to the phoenix.... resurrecting something they used to make...
Over 750 posts: Whatever it was, it certainly got Photrio's attention.
How many do you think will put money out to actually buy whatever it is?
I mentioned POP a while back. Still wondering about it.
MattKing
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Or possibly, resurrecting something that some-one else used to make, which is not currently available in the market.
That would be wonderful!
If it’s something I’m interested in, I just might!
Harman Photo have specifically denied this.
Though it could be similar to something that someone else used to make.
I still think it's not going to be B&W film because they would surely launch that under the Ilford name, or if that wasn't possible under the terms of the license it would be Kentmere. There's also no real gaps in their product range of B&W films. They have every base covered except perhaps an 800 or 1600ISO panchromatic film. Given that Delta 400 and HP5+ push very well to either speed, Kentmere pushes pretty well and Delta 3200 can be pulled to 1600, it's not really much of a gap. And even if they did offer something along those lines, it's hardly earth shattering nor is it going to be a huge seller....even if it's actually something I'd use a lot of. I do mostly pus HP5+ to 1600.
Whatever this is, Harman feel it's necessary to market it under a new brand name and to create a whole new set of social media accounts and a website for it. Always remember the trademark application, for "sensitised photographic material" and chemicals. It's something they can't or won't sell as Ilford or Kentmere, something they think they'll sell a lot of, and probably film, paper or chemicals. Or some combo of them. So clearly it's Kodachrome with a home processing kit (that's a Joke, Kodachrome believers).
Call it by it's true name a Conspiracy theory
all it by it's correct name - conspiracy theory (not on Ilford's behalf)
The phoenix could also represent rebirth of a practice, as I suggested with a rebirth of color reversal film use, if it is an E-6 film. Of course, the phoenix could also just be arbitrary, which could be likely if it is simply meant as the logo for the new Harman Photo brand and multiple products.
How about Selochrome including the ressurrection of the vending machines on railway station platforms that sold it for one shilling
By the end of the summer holidays in U.K. seaside resorts the result was 50,000 6x4 prints of different Uncle Harrys in a deckchair on the sand with a knotted handkerchief on his head, No skin cancer in those days
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Or maybe it'd just an RGB exposure unit in line with what today's papers expect. Depends on how you look at it.
Btw, my first LED head I built several years before Intrepid introduced theirs. I've made several in the meantime.
to get skin cancer on the beach - don't you need "sunshine"By the end of the summer holidays in U.K. seaside resorts the result was 50,000 6x4 prints of different Uncle Harrys in a deckchair on the sand with a knotted handkerchief on his head, No skin cancer in those days
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