Harman Photo cryptic announcement/teaser

[logan2z]

I am not yawning, but I would like to have the second shoe drop and find out what the new product or product change is. Yes, I am tired of waiting.

Agreed, they're dragging this out way too long. I hope for Harman's sake the announcement is significant.

 

[MattKing]

It's worth keeping in mind that the Phoenix symbol suggests (no ambiguity as far as I'm concerned) that this is a "resurrection" of something Harmon/Ilford once offered.

By the way, it is Harman, not Harmon.
This (Harman):

And definitely not this (Harmon):

 

[pentaxuser]

Maybe the "coming soon" timescale is like the projected opening date on the thread about Ferrania film which was initially about the start-up of colour film, wasn't it?

With literally nothing there as yet it reminds me of the cartoon showing a guy diving into an empty swimming pool at 8:55am with the attendant throwing in the first bucket of water while pointing to the sign that says : Pool Opening Time 9: 00am

pentaxuser

 

[pentaxuser]

By the way, it is Harman, not Harmon.
This (Harman):
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And definitely not this (Harmon):
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Thanks Matt. The first picture looks like a retired keystone cop. Both might have arresting qualities but I wonder which of the two of them is more dangerous?

pentaxuser

 

[Ernst-Jan]

. I totally get the idea that it's Cibachrome or colour film, if we assume it's a phoenix. But I do doubt they're in any position to achieve those.

Wasn't Cibachrome a technology of Ilford Marly and therefore now the recipe is with Adox?

I think I once read Cibachrome wasn't that complex to manufacture.

 

[retina_restoration]

By the way, it is Harman, not Harmon

Noted. Auto-correct at play.

 

[Don_ih]

Cibachrome wasn't that complex to manufacture

Even if simple to manufacture, it would likely be impossible to sell even a single manufacturing run of it. And can't forget about the chemical cocktails required that they'd have to find someone to package.

 

[4season]

I thought of something improbable but logical: Harman's current product offerings include cameras, black and white film, photographic paper (both normal type and direct-positive), chemistry, a portable darkroom, trays, tongs, safelights, etc, etc. But one item that you won't find is an enlarger, specifically, a compact unit suitable for use in a pop-up darkroom. AFAIK, the last known sighting of that particular bird was in the late 1940s.

 

[pentaxuser]

Surely time that someone listed the items that are coming soon and ran a poll to see which one is the most favoured

pentaxuser

 

[mshchem]

I'm going nuts in anticipation! I don't even know how to use the face book.

• Cibachrome
• Infrared
• 220
• 221
• Infrared 220
• Graflex 4x5 roll film

I'm stocking up on 220 and Polaroid roll film backs for my Hasselblads. Once the news breaks these will be unobtainable!

 

[Ian Grant]

Wasn't Cibachrome a technology of Ilford Marly and therefore now the recipe is with Adox?

I think I once read Cibachrome wasn't that complex to manufacture.

Cibachrome was based on a Tellko emulsion. Ciba bought Tellko then merged to form Ciba Geigy who then bought Ilford, Then Ciba Geigy became Ilford Imaging in Marly.

When Kodak suddenly stopped making B&W papers there was a knock on effect. Ilford in the UK went into voluntary receivership severing their ownership by Ilford Imaging in Marly. They still had loose trading links until the Marly side went bankrupt. the assets mainly trade names, customer base, etc were bought by a German company, still trading as Ilford Imaging, but they didn't buy the factory.

So no Adox/Fotoimpex have no rights to the Cibachrome orocess. They just happen to own or lease part of the Marly plant including a small flexible coating line.

Ian

 

[mshchem]

So then we are agreed it's definitely Cibachrome!

 

[Agulliver]

I am not yawning, but I would like to have the second shoe drop and find out what the new product or product change is. Yes, I am tired of waiting.

Yeah that's where I stand. I have a lot of patience, but their likely intended audience generally do not. Usually social media campaigns are either quick, or have lots of breadcrumbs or teasers. I'd be looking for something else, probably equally as cryptic, on the Harman phoenix social media channels.

 

[Radost]

probably color film
Who would not jump on the insane prices

 

[fs999]

A better version of Cibachrome history : https://www.hnoc.org/virtual/daguerreotype-digital/cibachromeilfochrome-process

 

[Agulliver]

probably color film
Who would not jump on the insane prices

Anyone with good business sense. Because availability and pricing of raw chemicals is sporadic, and profit margins are low. Just because something is expensive, doesn't mean it's profitable.

 

[foc]

I thought of something improbable but logical: Harman's current product offerings include cameras, black and white film, photographic paper (both normal type and direct-positive), chemistry, a portable darkroom, trays, tongs, safelights, etc, etc. But one item that you won't find is an enlarger, specifically, a compact unit suitable for use in a pop-up darkroom. AFAIK, the last known sighting of that particular bird was in the late 1940s.

I like this idea and had a look at some of Ilford's accessories, (courtesy of Photomemorbilia website) that Harman could resurrect and rebrand under the Harman name.

But first, let's get this out of the way, (only because it has been mentioned so many times.)



What do you think about these as likely candidates?





This could be similar to a smart phone scanner.

 

[sorbrant]

https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003943274

 

[Anon Ymous]

https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003943274

So it's either sensitised materials, or chemicals?

 

[koraks]

So it's either sensitised materials, or chemicals?

Looks like it.

 

[sorbrant]

or both

 

[Agulliver]

For ease of access, here are the items "Harman Phoenix" have got their trademark for

"Photographic film, paper and plates all being unexposed; unexposed sensitised photographic films; strips of sensitised photographic film [unexposed]; unexposed colour photographic films; unexposed cinematographic films; unexposed camera film; photographic developers; photographic sensitisers; photosensitive materials [films, unexposed]; chemical preparations and substances, all for use in processing photo-sensitive materials."

I'm wondering if they're actually going to drop the Ilford name?

 

[Kino]

I'm wondering if they're actually going to drop the Ilford name?

I cannot imagine that; it would be an enormously stupid thing to do.

However, that list could imply they are forming a new distribution wing that can handle more brands and types of photographic materials than just those associated with Illford.

In any regard, their little posting has done the trick and generated endless speculation and notice.

 

[Dustin McAmera]

I don't think that's a list Harman wrote. I think registrants for a trademark choose from the IPO's list of product classes.

How to classify trade marks

When applying to register a trade mark, you must use the classification system to specify the goods and/or services you'll be using it on.

www.gov.uk

 

[BMbikerider]

Why do I keep yawning?

It's catching.