Over on Instagram in the comments for the latest orange Phoenix, Harman have confirmed this is not a collaboration with any other company. They were specifically asked if this was a collaboration with FujiFilm or Film Ferrania.
On 3 Nov 2023 Harman Technology registered the trademark HARMAN PHOENIX
https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003943274
I saw an online post stating that a patent was registered describing what it is but I haven't been able to find such a patent yet.
Nor did I. However we have clearly reached an almost complete polarisation on this matter where some believe that anyone entertaining any doubts makes said member look stupid/thick with no concessions given to any reasonable doubt possibleTheir existing websites (Harman Tech and Ilford) didn't link to any of the new stuff, or even mention it.
So I don't think it was unreasonable to doubt the authenticity of this. And I still say it looks pretty ham-fisted as a genuine launch, while it would have been quite cool as a hoax.
Yes I think theyve said a lot of the investment has been to bring the existing line management uptodate. Example;It's a gut feeling based on a number of factors, and hints. Two videos, one with a brief mention that Harman can't use the Ilford name on a colour film, the other talking about multi million pounds worth of investment, The Harmanphoto new website, the Harman Phoenix trade name registration, the marketing of the Grey scale Phoenix logo, at the beginning of this thread I said it would burst into colour, and it did yesterday. I'd expect that logo to change into a fuller range of colours.
I suspect that due to the agreements for Harman using the Ilord brand name that includes the IlfordPhoto,website. So it would be problematic listing a Colour film on it, and Ilford Imaging own the Ilfocolor trade name.
Something not mentioned is Ilford/Harman shut-down their coating line for upgrades recently. When I went on an Ilford factory tour in 2007 or 8 their coating line was controlled by an IBM XT running DOS, recent videos show that's no longer the case.
The coating head technology Ilford use was designed and Patented by them, on that factory tour I was in Simon Galley's group, he told us that Kodak and some other companies licensed that technology from them.
So yes the hints are all out there,
Ian
It's a gut feeling based on a number of factors, and hints. Two videos, one with a brief mention that Harman can't use the Ilford name on a colour film, the other talking about multi million pounds worth of investment, The Harmanphoto new website, the Harman Phoenix trade name registration, the marketing of the Grey scale Phoenix logo, at the beginning of this thread I said it would burst into colour, and it did yesterday. I'd expect that logo to change into a fuller range of colours.
I suspect that due to the agreements for Harman using the Ilord brand name that includes the IlfordPhoto,website. So it would be problematic listing a Colour film on it, and Ilford Imaging own the Ilfocolor trade name.
Something not mentioned is Ilford/Harman shut-down their coating line for upgrades recently. When I went on an Ilford factory tour in 2007 or 8 their coating line was controlled by an IBM XT running DOS, recent videos show that's no longer the case.
The coating head technology Ilford use was designed and Patented by them, on that factory tour I was in Simon Galley's group, he told us that Kodak and some other companies licensed that technology from them.
So yes the hints are all out there,
Ian
Do you feel that way aboutpregancy[sic] pregnancy?
Me too. A new C41 that performs differently than the Kodak products would be an incredible achievement for Harman and cause for much celebration. Here's hoping!Thank you Ian, for the detailed response. I hope is it Harmancolor C41 film.
Pregacy is where illiteracy leads.Personally I have not tried it. But from what I hear, everything works out eventually.
Me too. A new C41 that performs differently than the Kodak products would be an incredible achievement for Harman and cause for much celebration. Here's hoping!
Ridiculous word salad aside… they don’t owe anyone anything, except their employees and shareholders.They owe us a good product.
That kind of relativistic surface functionalism is popular among certain hardline liberalists.
Ridiculous word salad aside… they don’t owe anyone anything, except their employees and shareholders.
I'm just going to choose to believe it'll be a line of color films, including an inexpensive 25ISO slide film, 1600 speed C41 film, and a 400 speed slide offering as well as a partnership with Pentax to offer a new SLR with eye tracking autofocus, a built in motor winder, a user-selectable half-frame mask, between frame data printing, a quartz date imprinter, a stabilized film transport, and a line of image stabilized lenses so you can get up to 6 stops of stabilization in total. And also a novelty keychain rubber duck
If it’s color film (huge if), I’d love it if it meant Ilford could eventually take over making Fuji’s formulas so Velvia and Provia don’t die when Fuji inevitably decides to stop making film altogether (something they’ve reportedly already done). There’s precedent for that with Acros II.
But they’d have to prove that they’re up to the task of making super high quality color film, on the level of Kodak and Fuji, first.
Despite Aguliver in Post #502, I am beginning to suspect this may be the case - maybe they've bought the Fuji color film business.
Despite Aguliver in Post #502, I am beginning to suspect this may be the case - maybe they've bought the Fuji color film business.
Despite Aguliver in Post #502, I am beginning to suspect this may be the case - maybe they've bought the Fuji color film business.
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