GVW1 prototype -- HQ only print developer producing brown tones on modern papers

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Note: This kinda started from the chlorohydroquinone thread, but then I figured out that this is all possible with regular easily available hydroquinone!

This is prototype test #2 formula for GVW1, a special very warm tone print developer which produces brown warm tones. It also is very unique in its action in a way which can make age fogged papers to become usable again.

Note! I do not consider this formula "done" but wanted to start a thread to discuss this early if anyone wanted to replicate the results or suggest improvements to it. I know hydroquinone only print developers are incredibly rare. I've only seen one other HQ only print developer (other than lith developers) which did not produce good results on modern papers.

* 800ml water
* 17g sodium sulfite
* 20g hydroquinone
* 0.3g potassium bromide
* 10.2g sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)
* 26g potassium carbonate
* Top to 1L with water
* pH aim: 10.2 with ~0.3M molarity for the carb/bicarb buffer
* Note: extremely sensitive to bromide, too much will massively slow down development and even cause fog.
* Note: too much sulfite will cause decreased black depth. Too little will cause lith type effects.
* Note: Shelf life is predicted to be poor. Likely stable for 2 weeks or so. Tray life is good otherwise though, no difference in results seen after several hours and 15 sheets of 8x10.

Use undiluted, developing for 1-4m depending on the type of paper and contrast aims.
Over expose by 1/2 stop and for 1/2 grade more contrast compared to other developers. Recommended to pull before development is complete. For most papers there will be 2 distinct phases. One phase where the image comes up but is somewhat low contrast. The 2nd phase the contrast suddenly increases and it is like a veil of fog is lifted. Once in this 2nd phase, leave in longer for darker and colder shadows, less time for browner tones. Contrast can be drastically lowered by over exposure and early pulling, printing negatives aimed for salt prints worked well with this technique
Highly recommend to use fresh stop bath so that development is stopped exactly when needed. The stop bath may be neutralized more quickly than with other developers due to high degree of buffering.

Test photo on Fomatone (not classic) FB, grade 3.5
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Kodabrome II RC, unpreserved and expired in the 80s. Top square is unexposed test sheet of the paper developed in Dektol (mild grey), in contrast to a complete image with GVW1. Contrast is a bit weird (I needed grade 4 paper, this is grade 3) but still capable of decent results with proper black tones and cleared highlights
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Note: I tried the prototype #1 formula (must less active, pH ~9.7) with film which also gave results worth potentially investigating. Most sources seem to say hydroquinone only developers would cause a speed decrease, but that was not apparent in my test case. Contrast was high due to over development, but I also developed some Tri-X Pan from 1960 in it which came out with only a slightly more grey base than FP4. Grain was surprisingly fine with Tri-X due to it being effectively pulled to ~ ISO 64, and with the FP4 grain was extremely sharp, resembling rodinal. It could definitely be an interesting developer to use for in-camera alt process work at box speed or pushed speed as it was capable of very high contrast at increased speeds without significant loss of shadow detail. Adding PEG to the developer would likely prevent highlights from blowing out as well.
 
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Most sources seem to say hydroquinone only developers would cause a speed decrease, but that was not apparent in my test case. Contrast was high due to over development, but I also developed some Tri-X Pan from 1960 in it which came out with only a slightly more grey base than FP4. Grain was surprisingly fine with Tri-X due to it being effectively pulled to ~ ISO 64, and with the FP4 grain was extremely sharp, resembling rodinal. It could definitely be an interesting developer to use for in-camera alt process work at box speed or pushed speed as it was capable of very high contrast at increased speeds without significant loss of shadow detail. Adding PEG to the developer would likely prevent highlights from blowing out as well.

Interestingly, there is a Hydroquinone only reversal first developer. Your developer can probably be used for reversal with pH adjustment and the Bauchet reversal developer can be used for getting brown tone (with pH adjustment)?
 
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Interestingly, there is a Hydroquinone only reversal first developer. Your developer can probably be used for reversal with pH adjustment and the Bauchet reversal developer can be used for getting brown tone (with pH adjustment)?

You'd likely find it very difficult to adapt that developer into a decent print developer using only acid and water. The pH is so very high that I would expect it to behave very similar to a lith developer, but with enough sulfite to prevent too much infectious development. In my adventures with lith printing developer formulation, one of the biggest differences between vintage and modern papers is the tolerance for bromide in hydroquinone only developers. With vintage papers, using 10+ grams per liter could often still give reasonable results in a lith developer for instance, but modern papers are extremely sensitive to it. I've seen the lith developer effect be completely halted from as little as 1g with a moderate pH developer on modern papers. I'm unsure why there is this big obvious difference on vintage vs modern papers, but I believe it is the primary reason why no commercial off the shelf lith developer works well with modern materials excluding certain outliers like Fomatone Classic
 

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Warm congratulations and thanks! Your results might be useful for me, as I have some packs of old paper that I'd like to put to the best use: portriga, record-rapid, and galerie.
But maybe more important, the contributions like yours make the value of this forum; not the endless chatter, rumors, unsupported assertions, parrot statements, and baseless disputes.
 
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After a full session last night, today the developer was a mild pale brown and activity was noticeably different. Although I could still get some reasonable results, uneven development occurred at times and black tones did not develop like before, instead giving lower contrast dark browns. I'm going to try to increase sulfite amount. If this developer didn't use such an extreme amount of hydroquinone, it'd be interesting to split into A+B parts since it seems that there is some catalytic action which causes it to be unstable on the shelf after being used for development
 

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Interesting. Thanks for posting this. Computers and the internet being what they are, the only way I can actually see what that print looks like is to see it in person. Tucson to Denver is a long ride for my eBike, so I'll mix up some of your formula and see how it works w/ some FB papers.
 
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I have it mixed, but won't test it until its cooled down tomorrow. Will split the 1L batch to run an experiment with lowering pH and adding catechol. Not expecting good results, but if I could get pH lowered it would definitely help shelf life. Also will be using new tray for the developer. I need to clean the previous one with something because it might have some iron dust contamination which may have caused the accelerated decay. I also added sodium chloride which acts as an accelerator in a hydroquinone only developer, but unsure if it will accelerate it too much. Mixed and untested formula:

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Any progress on the warm tone paper developer? I mixed up some ID-78 and I like it but any warm tone effect is very subtle, almost insignificant.
Attached are some old warm tone formulas. The figures with brown background are after the recommended dilution. I haven't tried them because many report that with modern papers they don't work well. I use a Nova vertical slot so changing developers is a pain. I don't have space for a single tray.
 

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Hi, I have not made any further progress yet. I would not recommend any of my HQ only developer designs for a tray processor since they are expected to have short tray life. However, you may like my developer GVL1 is a bit warmer (and more toward brown) than ID-78, depending highly on the paper. It is designed for warm brown tones rather than warm olive tones. It is a long lasting no-dilution PQ developer.

If working with a higher contrast and brilliant negative which doesn't require too deep of black tones, I've succeeded in using this developer with 1/2 grade increased contrast to over expose and pull the print a bit early. The result is very warm brown tones. It requires quite a bit of practice to figure out the perfect snatch point though.

GVL1 Write Up (prototype)
Formula:
  • 750ml hot water
  • 10g sodium sulfite
  • 6g hydroquinone
  • 25ml TEA 99% (triethanolamine, sourced from Photographer’s Formulary. Likely low freeze grade)
  • 0.15g Dimezone-S (it is unknown if and how phenidone could be substituted) or 15ml of 1% solution such as 1% dimezone-S in alcohol or glycol
  • 1g potassium bromide
  • 16g sodium metaborate
  • Top to 1L with water
  • Measured pH 10.75
Usage: Use directly with no dilution. Typical development time is 1.5-3m.

Recommended for: General purpose warmtone paper developer. For brilliant subjects which do not require a deep black, over exposure, increased contrast grade, and under development can be used for extremely warm tones.

Characterization: Produces warm tones, sometimes only subtle, but trends more toward browns rather than greens.

Shelf life: Solution will yellow with age, but will last at least 2 months if kept in a closed bottle between sessions. Will become slightly slower as it ages but otherwise has minimal aging effects observed thus far.

Capacity: Unknown, greater than 40 8x10 prints per liter

Link to slightly NSFW print example: https://www.reddit.com/r/Darkroom/comments/qzbejs/trying_some_new_techniques_and_subjects_arista_fb/
 
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