Fujifilm Quicksnap Waterproof..... loaded with Kodak 800 ISO film

[ilikecameras1010]

Recently developed a roll of 800-speed film out of a fresh Fuji waterproof disposable and was surprised to discover that it is the same Kodak 800-speed film stock as found in all of the FunSavers and (and possibly Lomo 800). It's on an ESTAR base which has a distinctive feel, and the edge markings are distinctly Kodak-style.

Very interesting, if nothing else.

 

[woodlandSerenade]

That is very interesting, especially because Fuji claim the cameras are loaded with Superia X-tra 800. I recently ordered two of these cameras just to harvest their film. I should shoot a roll and see if I can corroborate your findings.

 

[cmacd123]

Recently developed a roll of 800-speed film out of a fresh Fuji waterproof disposable and was surprised to discover that it is the same Kodak 800-speed film stock as found
Very interesting, if nothing else.

what were the markings on the cartridge. Kodak also uses a distinct spool on their one time use cameras. (with a gear design)

 

[woodlandSerenade]

Here's the loaded cartridge I pulled from one of the cameras.

 

[Wallendo]

Can you post a picture of the negative?

Usually the rebate code on Fuji and Kodak films will tell what it is.

The cartridge is not a standard Kodak disposable camera style, but Fuji could easily have bought film and finished it themselves. If Fuji couls not support Superia 800 for general use, it is unlikely they would have the volume to produce a run just for disposable (recyclable) cameras.

 

[cmacd123]

Can you post a picture of the negative?

Usually the rebate code on Fuji and Kodak films will tell what it is.

The cartridge is not a standard Kodak disposable camera style, but Fuji could easily have bought film and finished it themselves. .

of course if Fuji finished the film from Kodak Made pancake rolls, then the Fuji machinery would apply marking typical of Fuji film, perhaps with an alpha numeric code different from the fuji product, and if they were following the "DX Rules" a bar code on the negs different from the Superia 800 code they have used in the past.

 

[mshchem]

This seems almost impossible. But Fuji has Ilford coating film. It's a brave new world!

 

[MattKing]

This seems almost impossible. But Fuji has Ilford coating film. It's a brave new world!

Well ...
Why do you assume that the Fuji disposable cameras come from the same business entity that makes the Fuji film?
That is intended to be a rhetorical question.

 

[mshchem]

Well ...
Why do you assume that the Fuji disposable cameras come from the same business entity that makes the Fuji film?
That is intended to be a rhetorical question.

Very good point!

 

[ilikecameras1010]

Here's a quick scan from the beginning of the roll. I believe the cassette spool had no notches in it. Upon closer inspection the base seems to be acetate rather than polyester but I'm not totally sure.

 

[cmacd123]

Here's a quick scan from the beginning of the roll. I believe the cassette spool had no notches in it. Upon closer inspection the base seems to be acetate rather than polyester but I'm not totally sure.

FWIW, that would be about what I would expect of the film if it was packaged using Kodak equipment.

I would also expect camera negative film to ordinarily be coated on Triacetate base, at least in 35mm. some 120 is on an ESTAR style base, but 120 has less of a risk of Light Pipe effects.

 

[Wallendo]

The film is CN 800-1. A quick google search describes this as Lomography 800. Lomography doesn't manufacture film.

 

[mshchem]

The film is CN 800-1. A quick google search describes this as Lomography 800. Lomography doesn't manufacture film.

So you have identified the edge markings to be a Lomography marketed film. Either as has been surmised, Fujifilm may no longer be in the business of making this camera. Something seems out of place.

OP are you sure you got this film from a Fuji Quicksnap??

We need to call in Holmes and Watson

 

[MattKing]

Either as has been surmised, Fujifilm may no longer be in the business of making this camera

Fujifilm makes lots of things that have nothing to do with film. They could very easily be making this camera, but putting into it the film that they can most profitably use.

 

[mshchem]

Fujifilm makes lots of things that have nothing to do with film. They could very easily be making this camera, but putting into it the film that they can most profitably use.

IIRC some of the Fujifilm US operations that are being phased out involved single use camera production. Could be they just got whatever was available. Seems more likely that the OP mixed his films.
Not to be critical. Just seems very unlikely. MHOFWIW which ain't much .

 

[CMoore]

Brand of film.?
Who cares ..................how did the camera perform in the wet.?

 

[Agulliver]

The Lomography branded film is thought to be Kodak Max 800, as used in Kodak single use cameras.

 

[mshchem]

The Lomography branded film is thought to be Kodak Max 800, as used in Kodak single use cameras.

The big mystery is why would a Fujifilm camera be loaded with Lomo branded Kodak film?? Maybe Kodak sent the wrong edge printing to whoever makes Quicksnap. Or the original poster got his rolls mixed up?
Not a problem for me as I shoot Portra and Ektar.

 

[ilikecameras1010]

I can confirm that the roll did indeed come out of a fresh Quicksnap purchased recently from Unique Photo, but I am as baffled as everyone else about how it got there! I removed the roll and shot it in a "real" camera. This is what the cassette looked like although I didn't get a picture of the top of the spool before tossing the empty cassette. I am trying to get my hands on some more Underwater Quicksnaps for further research.

 

[mshchem]

I can confirm that the roll did indeed come out of a fresh Quicksnap purchased recently from Unique Photo, but I am as baffled as everyone else about how it got there! I removed the roll and shot it in a "real" camera. This is what the cassette looked like although I didn't get a picture of the top of the spool before tossing the empty cassette. I am trying to get my hands on some more Underwater Quicksnaps for further research.

Another possibility is, maybe Lomography buys 800 speed CN film from the lowest bidder. Maybe one batch from Kodak the next from Fujifilm. This is a great story, thanks for the detective work.
Best Regards Mike

 

[Wallendo]

It would interesting to see what code appears on Kodak’s underwater camera rebate.

 

[cmacd123]

FWIW, that would be about what I would expect of the film if it was packaged using Kodak equipment.
.

too late to edit my earlier post, the clue to me is the serial number of the roll of film is between shot 1 and 2, while Fuji puts their serial numbers before shot one.

 

[mshchem]

Unique Photo has several single use camera offerings. Kodak, Fuji and a generic waterproof camera . The Fuji is out of stock, Kodak in stock. Both have 800 speed film. The other offers are several non-aquatic Lomography 400 speed and weird color cameras.

 

[Film-Niko]

Looks like bad news, as Superia X-Tra 800 is the better film compared to Ultramax 800 from Kodak (which is not bad, but simply not as good as X-Tra 800).

Here's the loaded cartridge I pulled from one of the cameras.
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That is definitely Kodak. You can clearly identify it by the huge amount of all the black dust particles which are spread all over the film cassette. It is typical for all 35mm Kodak films.
And if you look inside the cassette, you will find these particles there, too.
These dust particles are from the velvet from the slit. Kodak is using an inferior material compared to all other manufacturers. Therefore you don't have this dust problem with 35mm films from Fujifilm, Ilford, Adox, Foma.
My local lab - Kodak customer for over 70 years - is permanently complaining about it: The velvet is crumbling and spreading the particles all over in the lab. Much more lab and machine cleaning is necessary because of that.

To avoid having all this dust in my 35mm cameras (and facing possible shutter failure because of accumulated dust in the long run) for years now I am cleaning all my 35mm Kodak film cassettes before I load them into the camera. A bit nerve-wrecking of course, but much much better than any camera damage which could occur of that in the future.
By the way, of course I also contacted my national Kodak office and reported that. They confirmed the problem. That was some years ago. But nothing has changed since then.

 

[CMoore]

Looks like bad news, as Superia X-Tra 800 is the better film compared to Ultramax 800 from Kodak (which is not bad, but simply not as good as X-Tra 800).



That is definitely Kodak. You can clearly identify it by the huge amount of all the black dust particles which are spread all over the film cassette. It is typical for all 35mm Kodak films.
And if you look inside the cassette, you will find these particles there, too.
These dust particles are from the velvet from the slit. Kodak is using an inferior material compared to all other manufacturers. Therefore you don't have this dust problem with 35mm films from Fujifilm, Ilford, Adox, Foma.
My local lab - Kodak customer for over 70 years - is permanently complaining about it: The velvet is crumbling and spreading the particles all over in the lab. Much more lab and machine cleaning is necessary because of that.

To avoid having all this dust in my 35mm cameras (and facing possible shutter failure because of accumulated dust in the long run) for years now I am cleaning all my 35mm Kodak film cassettes before I load them into the camera. A bit nerve-wrecking of course, but much much better than any camera damage which could occur of that in the future.
By the way, of course I also contacted my national Kodak office and reported that. They confirmed the problem. That was some years ago. But nothing has changed since then.

Photography is not as big a part of my life as some of our members, but still..........i have never heard this before.
Has it been discussed on APUG in the past.?
How do you go about Cleaning...De-Dusting...that felt strip.?
Thank You