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Henning, a series of great examples to demonstrate exactly what you were saying about Pro 400H. Thanks
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I wish you would have told us two weeks earlier.Last week I took a spontaneous trip to Florence, by train, and used a roll of 400H in my Rolleicord. And of course a few other films.
Normally I don't like this general social media trend for pushing the shit out of any given b/w film and overexposing, by several stops, cn film.
But if E.I. 200 only saturates without breaking the curves I would have tried it. There was certainly enough sun.
Are there any tricks with 160NS? I still have a pro pack and a pack of 4x5.
The colour balance is just way too cyan. Would have been in scanning.This one isn't even that bad, there are some others that are much worse: with heavier green cast. This is sunset, BTW. The scene was much warmer, with orange everywhere, but this looks like the light is coming from a distant nuclear blast.
Should I try it again, or it's more or less how it looks like?
A shift does not automatically mean that information is lost. Only once you start going outside the gamut of the materials involved, problems arise. Since reality has a larger gamut than any medium, it's kind of an empty argument though, as you'll inherently lose information by capturing a scene. This doesn't mean that a color shift in a film stock means that more or less information is necessarily lost. Obviously information is always lost at the extremes of the exposure range of the film, which in practice with C41 film means anything more than about half a stop of underexposure and a few stops overexposure for most films (Ektar of course excepted).@koraks agreed, however... every color shift is a problem because a color gamut of any medium always has boundaries and if the white point moves, you're losing something. Forever. Post-processing only corrects what remained but doesn't bring what's been clipped.
I bring it up every time not because it's an end-all, but because scanning brings methodological issues that are difficult to control for, and that makes drawing conclusions on the basis of scanned images very risky. Yes, of course, color profiling etc. is relevant, and so are development parameters. If you want to isolate the effect of exposure from all the other variables, it's necessary to control those variables tightly. For most variables there's not a huge issue - development temperature will be the same across the same roll, and as long as you compare the images side by side on the same display, no variation as a result will arise there. But once you start scanning individual frames with different settings, or you post-process individual frames differently, then you *are* introducing variables that are non-identical across the frames you want to compare. Exactly that has happened here, and like in virtually all tests, reports and user experiences, crucial information about the (lack of) control of such variables is missing.Also, you bring up scanning in every thread about color. Every. Single. Time. Why stop there? You may as well entertain us about monitor calibration, film development temperature, sRGB color space or even light. They all affect color. If we halt every conversation because of variables involved we will never be able to discuss anything at all.
+1I bring it up every time not because it's an end-all, but because scanning brings methodological issues that are difficult to control for, and that makes drawing conclusions on the basis of scanned images very risky. Yes, of course, color profiling etc. is relevant, and so are development parameters. If you want to isolate the effect of exposure from all the other variables, it's necessary to control those variables tightly.
I bring it up every time not because it's an end-all, but because scanning brings methodological issues that are difficult to control for, and that makes drawing conclusions on the basis of scanned images very risky. Yes, of course, color profiling etc. is relevant, and so are development parameters. If you want to isolate the effect of exposure from all the other variables, it's necessary to control those variables tightly.
Seems a little abrupt, considering how much of this discussion is about methodologies and how they may impact conclusions.You cannot, sitting in your home, control someone else's variables "tightly".
If you decide to respond, then be kind and trust the other party to isolate a variable before bringing it up for discussion. When you go with your usual "you can't use your scans" comments in color threads, what you're doing is implicitly saying that the other party is a moron. One possible outcome of that is to eventually be explicitly called a toxic a-hole.
Now that Monday morning feeling is one I appreciate as I used to experience it before being able to retire. Retirement has its downsides of course such as seeing more frequently, as the years pass, a guy in a black cloak on my countryside walks whom I assume is a wheat farmer. I say that because I have never seen him without his scythe. His expression is always grim - well scything is, after all, hard workBad case of Monday morning, @koraks, my apologies.
No worries, it's all good.Bad case of Monday morning, @koraks, my apologies.
Well looking at the various videos with examples from 400H and other contributions from the likes of Henning and macfred I'd say that while the Fuji colour palette is different( to only a marginal degree in my eyes) from say Portra or Fuji Superior there is no need to dread the results of what you will get.I loaded a roll of this into my Pentax 645NII today cos the shop had run out of Portra 400. Dreading what results I'll get back now after reading this thread
I don't think the maker of that video is a moron or anything like that. It's just that he did point out (somewhat indirectly) that a lab did the scanning for him. The lab may have done a great job in terms of consistency, or maybe they didn't.
Thank youWell looking at the various videos with examples from 400H and other contributions from the likes of Henning and macfred I'd say that while the Fuji colour palette is different( to only a marginal degree in my eyes) from say Portra or Fuji Superior there is no need to dread the results of what you will get.
pentaxuser
Thanks, I am only here to spread harmony where there is dissent and hope where there is despairThank you
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