I signed up for a few boxes of this paper a while ago now, but I think Adox / Mirko has to proceed as and when resources permit; so buying more Adox MCC might be a good start.
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It is lithable (at least the original was), and is really nice in lith.
Yes, the original was very lithable.
Yes, I've seen examples - a friend of mine has hoarded some for lith.
I re-read the thread just before I posted again, that's why I mentioned it as a lith paper. The photographs of the kettle and the interiors of Adox Fotowerke in Bad Saarow are inspiring and gives a sense of the commitment and scale of the undertaking.
I re-read the thread just before I posted again, that's why I mentioned it as a lith paper. The photographs of the kettle and the interiors of Adox Fotowerke in Bad Saarow are inspiring and gives a sense of the commitment and scale of the undertaking.
I'm sure. My thought was I'd hate to see people sign up for X amount when they really aren't interested in completing the purchase.
I agree, and hopefully nobody is doing that. I just wanted to keep this thread in the forefront of people's attention, as I think more interest would help bump it along. Every day we see complaining about products being lost, and here's a chance to do something about it and bring something unique back from the grave.
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It would be nice to learn how far along the paper making process is now Wayne. I am hoping to use the paper to contact print my 8x10 negatives. I would like to comparte the new Polywarmtone with Lodima. Hence, I wonder if anyone here has used Amidol with the older version of the Polywarmtone paper. In addition, I am curious as to which developer those who are experienced with the paper have used in the past, and their comments concerning such developers. Thanks.
I also have registered for a few boxes of the paper.
I also have registered for a few boxes of the paper.
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Hi Mirko:
Well, many of us are waiting to use the new APX 400 film along with the new Polywarmtone!
Well, many of us are waiting to use the new APX 400 film along with the new Polywarmtone!
I used Michael A. Smith's enlarging paper amidol formula with the old polywarmtone. I liked it very much - it gave a good range of tones and a slightly warm tone to the emulsion. I've also signed up for some of the new.
juan
juan
I realy liked a phenidone version of Ansco 130, it gave wonderful gradation and cooled the image tone down to right where I like it. I've been printing on my last box of Fortezo this week. Tonight I discovered I have a box of Polywarmtone in the freezer that I didnt even know I had...not sure yet how much is left in it though...
Went up on the Polywarmtone site to day and there is a new update on the blog. Good news that progress is starting to be made again.
Thanks Mirko!!
"Update
04-07-2011-19:41
Unfortunately the whole construction in the factory was delayed due to more complicated than expected financing paperwork.
But now things are cleared and construction is going on.
Once we have the second story built in the middel hall, the cooling cycle is up and running and all darkroom blinds and safelights are installed the kettle could theoretically go live.
The only burden to take now is the silverprice to drop. At the current level making monochrome papers makes no sense but we are in good mood that it will keep dropping. "
Thanks Mirko!!
"Update
04-07-2011-19:41
Unfortunately the whole construction in the factory was delayed due to more complicated than expected financing paperwork.
But now things are cleared and construction is going on.
Once we have the second story built in the middel hall, the cooling cycle is up and running and all darkroom blinds and safelights are installed the kettle could theoretically go live.
The only burden to take now is the silverprice to drop. At the current level making monochrome papers makes no sense but we are in good mood that it will keep dropping. "
Looks like much is going on with Polywarmtone again! I just came from the Adox FB page - the machine has been set and the walls are being tiled! This really does trump all the Kodak news in my mind!!
For PWT to come back would be a grand gift. Such an awesome paper.
I really thank you ADOX for bring back MCC. Incredible contribution and hard-work for all of us.
I really thank you ADOX for bring back MCC. Incredible contribution and hard-work for all of us.
I hope this happens. It's a wonderful paper.
Yes, I'm really looking forward to it as well. Never used it but I have heard so many good things....
+1 on MCC, great paper - even better than the Agfa version to my mind because I like the whiter base better.
I've never used Polywarmtone and right now use Ilford MGWT FB for my warm tone prints, and MCC 110 for my neutral ones. How does Polywarmtone compare to Ilford MGWT FB?
Polywarmtone has a warmer tone than MGWT and has a different and i believe a more straight curve than MGWT which has a fairy steep curve with a more pronouced shoulder. Polywarmtone is also easier to manipulate with different toners.
MGWT is a great paper and i use it now that my Polywarmtone stach is gone but should we get Polywarmtone back and with the same characteristics i will switch back momentarily.
MGWT is a great paper and i use it now that my Polywarmtone stach is gone but should we get Polywarmtone back and with the same characteristics i will switch back momentarily.
I wouldn't hope for it too soon. Just follow the blog
http://www.polywarmton.com/page5/page5.html
and register to buy some
http://www.polywarmton.com/English/register.php
This has been years in the making, and I would not expect anything soon. I'n guessing it will take a while to work the kinks out and there are probably still some hurdles ahead.
But I'm very happy to see progress! I'm down to less than a half box of Fortezo, and one partial pack of PWT in the freezer. I refuse to use it all until I know for sure more is coming.
PWT is very responsive to developers as well as toners. Truly wonderful, flexible stuff with the most pleaseing warm tone I've seen. I was never a warm tone liker until I tried it, and I fell in love with it I haven't used much MGWT but I didn't find it anywhere near as pleasing or flexible.
I was never a warm tone fan either, but I tried some and now keep finding subjects it fits.
I tone it in Brown Toner (the single solution brown, not bleach and redevelop sepia - that works great too but is more PITA to mix from powder with short life, where the brown toner is a liquid concentrate.) I get the Freestyle Arista brand toner - same as Kodak but Freestyle sells it in 8 oz bottles while Kodak now only sells it (or Champion, but whatever) in a gallon sized lifetime supply for something absurd like $250+. At any rate, based on Drew Wiley's advice I mixed it 1/4 strength, but now I'm mostly mixing it 1/8th strength. I don't generally want the really brown/sepia look, but I can get that easily enough at 1/4 strength and up. I mix it 1/8th strength, 1/8 oz in a quart of water. I tone generally for 20-30 seconds, remove from toner and immerse immediately in water bath, do not drain (or the running toner can streak.) If that's not enough back in the toner.
It took me a while because I was keeping the toner a day or two and the next day it works, but more slowly, the third day barely at all etc. It was just habit, the stuff is cheap enough. So I was confused at first. But once I figured it out, went to 1/8th the bottle recommended strength, I can control it and get what I want. Generally I just want to remove the green tone and give it a hint of warm brown. 20-30 seconds in 1/8th strength does that really nicely. If I want browner/warmer I can easily get it.
After using MCC for years I switched to Polywarmtone and it's just soo flexible in comparison. I could have switched to MGWT but at that point it had an off white creamy base which I didn't likle.
The only paper I found better than Polywarmtone is the long discontinued old version of Agfa Record Rapid before the Cadmium was removed from the emulsion.
This yera I'll finish my last stocks of Polywarmtone and will probably move to Foma papers.
Ian
The only paper I found better than Polywarmtone is the long discontinued old version of Agfa Record Rapid before the Cadmium was removed from the emulsion.
This yera I'll finish my last stocks of Polywarmtone and will probably move to Foma papers.
Ian
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