Foma Retropan 320 soft what is it real ?

[Nokton48]

The Magic Triangle of Developer will
coldcock this idea.

I have a suggestion. Why don't you JUST TRY IT??
As I have repeatedly stated, it works for me.
Or not. I am done. Good Luck to you.

 

[trendland]

I have a suggestion. Why don't you JUST TRY IT??
As I have repeatedly stated, it works for me.
Or not. I am done. Good Luck to you.

Yes of cause - I will have no doubt on good results.
But I am just looking forward - to make
the developer more stronger it will obviously be accompanied by increased
grain size - therefore I stated : " The magic triangle of developers will coldcock this idea "

I refered to the idea to change the rate
of replunishment.

But thanks a lot Nokton48.
I will have first - Iford Perceptol
secondly - Stev's +Bill's Microdol-x
substitution from Film
Dev. Cookbook
thirdly - The new Mic.-x from
Legacy Pro

in addition all methods with replunishment method you have in use
and I know - it will be no different between.

with regards (and thanks for cooperation).....

 

[trendland]

No problem with shipping, I live next to the border and get my supplies shipped to Calexico,CA, next to the border.

Regards.

Marcelo

By the time Marcelo, if you got your results with your developer : We are still
interested .

with regards

 

[flavio81]

So, 6 pages and the OP has not tried Foma Retropan 320 yet ?

 

[trendland]

So, 6 pages and the OP has not tried Foma Retropan 320 yet ?

Of cause so flavio81 - I have also bought
a second roll of it and I've try out both in a very spontaneous shooting in addition to E6.
If you mention the Foma Special Developer - you are right.

I have not tried it jet.But this was stil clear from the very beginning.
(Because we're just in concerns of
probably methods to reduce the grain
of this emulsion)
Most wich were in use with Foma Retropan 320 soft have had problems
with massive grain.
Do you remember ???

with regards

 

[trendland]

I developed one 135 roll today, in a very vanilla fashion using microphen, following the given times. The film is indeed quite soft, and I like the graduation I get on the portraits ,but oh my! it is grainy! I printed it on Fomatone MG and it prints very nicely, but the grain is so sharp that it seems a pointillist painting. Not sure if I like or not, will wait a couple days and have a second look at my prints.

Well - twelvetone12 I got just now also
a fashion shooting at midt June - the
chance to try out some films in comparison with metol developer.
But let me ask short - what is a vanilla shooting?

with regards

 

[trendland]

Can you explain what "coldcock this idea" means? Some strange words appear in your replies. Are you working with predictive text?

pentaxuser

Yes - the magic triangle of developers will coldcock this idea.

If you regard the characteristics of bw developer types as a triangle of 3 effects
to film you whant to have :

- small grain
- speed
- sharpness <-- here I am indeed not realy sure or is it tonal range ???

you can change the impact of your developer in some ways to have an advantage on one side of your triangle
(or on two sides).
Other sides of your triangle worsen.
So you may say the area of your triangle
is the same.
To enlarge this area you will need a new
emulsion technology or a new type of
developer technology.

Ok - pentaxuser of cause you know this
very well - just to perform this.
Example : You have a new push developer in use and your film speed is
much more higher than before.
So the grain is also much more bigger
and the tonal range will also suffer.
(the 3. side must be tonal range not
sharpness).

My idea first with Perceptol was : "How to
get Perceptol a little stronger? "
If you make Perceptol in 2/3 liter as stock - not in 1 liter ?
No good Idea.
If you force the stock with a higher rate of replunisher?
Why not ? But the effect to force de developer by replunisher will have a larger grain size - it is contraproductive to Perceptol. The intention with methol based Mic.-x or Perceptol is knocked out.
The magic triangle of developer will
coldcock this idea! It will strike / knock out/ coldcock (strike without warning)
this idea.

with regards

 

[pentaxuser]

I note that out of 132 posts in this thread that trendland has posted 62. On page 4 of the thread he posted 16 out of 24 posts. Is either or both APUG records for one person's participation in one thread?

pentaxuser

 

[trendland]

I note that out of 132 posts in this thread that trendland has posted 62. On page 4 of the thread he posted 16 out of 24 posts. Is either or both APUG records for one person's participation in one thread?

pentaxuser

We may count +1 but how is your oppinion to this mentioned above
pentaxuser? Or should I get the impression that it is sometimes strangely
quit around you when it goes to the thema ?
We all know this sentence from far behind - you too?

with regard

 

[twelvetone12]

"vanilla" just means it followed the datasheet and recommendations without doing any fancy stuff

 

[trendland]

"vanilla" just means it followed the datasheet and recommendations without doing any fancy stuff

Ahh.......OK - see. Sorry but i did not know this term. Thanks for explanation
twelvetone12.

with regards

 

[pentaxuser]

We may count +1 but how is your oppinion to this mentioned above
pentaxuser? Or should I get the impression that it is sometimes strangely
quit around you when it goes to the thema ?
We all know this sentence from far behind - you too?

with regard

I have read your reply several times and cannot work out what you are saying. If it helps you can be more direct when you answer. I know that usually this invitation to be more direct can lead to bad feeling but I will risk it. I just need to know what you are saying in your reply. I can read the words OK but cannot work out what they mean.

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[trendland]

I have read your reply several times and cannot work out what you are saying. If it helps you can be more direct when you answer. I know that usually this invitation to be more direct can lead to bad feeling but I will risk it. I just need to know what you are saying in your reply. I can read the words OK but cannot work out what they mean.

Thanks

pentaxuser

Everything is fine pentaxuser don't sorry pls.
The theme of this thread is the origin of
Foma Retropan 320 soft.
I felt alone with my doubts to a clever marketing campaign of Foma, j
ust by regarding the name of this emulsion :
RETROPAN 320 ???
In the meantime it should be clear from the most of them who read this thread
where this film is comming from.
In addition there is also an interest in how the recomanded developer Foma RSD (Retro Spezial Developer) is a good
choise.
Because most photograpers are afraid of
very accentuated grain with this combination and with other developers.
The question in between was to other films with simular characteristics in concern of a grainy look : Ilford Hp5 for example.
We also found further alternate developers with the help of Ian Grand,Nokton48 and others - thanks again for this.
For me it is always the question if it can be more and more acurate in regard
to the intention to work with special
films.
And we found out that there are different
intentions from different photograpers.
Therefore we saw different recomandations. This must not be a contradiction.

with regards

 

[alexfoto]

I use Retropan 320 as my favorite film after a month of tests.
Finally exposing it in 250ASA and developing in HC110 dilution B for 8:30 min.
What i found is they need also an old style lens to take the best combination. The new lenses is over corrected and over contrast for this type of pictures. First i try with my LEICA R4s and elmarit 35mm/summicron 90mm (newer versions) with ok result but nothing special as this lenses have over sharpness and over contrast, except the aggressive old style grain which i like a lot.
But when i drop it in a ZORKI C with the old first generation Industar 5cm f3,5 (1945 version with plain blue coating) the result is AMAZING!!
What a glow in highlights!! Reminds me of the old Trix. Perfect shadow details, aggressive but very beautiful grain. The results is almost surrealistic. Now is my primarily film combined with ZORKI C!

 

[trendland]

I use Retropan 320 as my favorite film after a month of tests.
Finally exposing it in 250ASA and developing in HC110 dilution B for 8:30 min.
What i found is they need also an old style lens to take the best combination. The new lenses is over corrected and over contrast for this type of pictures. First i try with my LEICA R4s and elmarit 35mm/summicron 90mm (newer versions) with ok result but nothing special as this lenses have over sharpness and over contrast, except the aggressive old style grain which i like a lot.
But when i drop it in a ZORKI C with the old first generation Industar 5cm f3,5 (1945 version with plain blue coating) the result is AMAZING!!
What a glow in highlights!! Reminds me of the old Trix. Perfect shadow details, aggressive but very beautiful grain. The results is almost surrealistic. Now is my primarily film combined with ZORKI C!

I would agree with your experience - but
I have not try out this until now.
It is a little hard to imagine (what you refered in concern to old lenses) but it
should be the true.It is a complex theme
and I remember Ian Grand stated it in the same way.
I should test it first with an Agfa Solinar 85mm.Thank you to remember the regard to old lenses alexphoto.
But first I will have additional tests with
developement - glad to hear about your
tests lasted month .......so I should
not worry about the time I have to try
some things in concern of perfect methods.

wIth regards

 

[trendland]

Makiflex Retro 320 - 3 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Here is one other test of 9x12cm Retro 320 Soft. 9x9cm Image on 9x12cm film, Neg cropped to 6x9cm, Plaubel Makiflex, 360mm f11 Kern process lens at f22 1/60 sec. Full key day sun on the apple tree back from my back deck. Legacy Mic-x straight (replenished), 30 mins at 18C, Jobo sheet film tank on Unicolor Uniroller.

Nothing very exciting visually but I wanted to see how the film responds in full sun. And it was convenient to do.

Comming back to your test a coüole of weeks ago Nokton48. I feel sad because

 

[trendland]

Makiflex Retro 320 - 3 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Here is one other test of 9x12cm Retro 320 Soft. 9x9cm Image on 9x12cm film, Neg cropped to 6x9cm, Plaubel Makiflex, 360mm f11 Kern process lens at f22 1/60 sec. Full key day sun on the apple tree back from my back deck. Legacy Mic-x straight (replenished), 30 mins at 18C, Jobo sheet film tank on Unicolor Uniroller.

Nothing very exciting visually but I wanted to see how the film responds in full sun. And it was convenient to do.

.......sorry software trouble - so I feel sad because I may overlooked it. But never mind - yes the tonal range of this apple tree in full sunlight and with dark shadows is not so bad. But I have to state ( as you mentioned ) it isn´t realy exiting. OK to have a wide range of tonals there are other films we know for a long time.
To me Ilford Fp4 isn´t so bad in tonals. It isn´t so bad in resolution and with special development ( everyone may have his own special soup ) it isn´t also so bad from less grainy characteristics.But to come back to Retro 320 it is exiting to have it in 9x12 !
Fp4 is also avaible in this format .

with regards

 

[trendland]

Nokton48 - I had a short look on
Legacy Mic-x Powder.


You add 24g sodium carbonate in addition to mic-x.
What is the appropiately higher ph you
recomanded?

One of many microdol-x substitute
formula :

(from Ronald W. Anderson)

Water..........................................750ml
Metol.............................................7,5g
Sodium Sulfite (anhy.)................100g
Sodium Bisulfite...........................7,5g

Since I gotsheets of the 9x12cm film, I decided to get the special developer as well.
Have yet to try it.

001 by Nokton48, on Flickr

This is the Legacy Pro Mic-X developer that I use for pretty much everything.
I also make replenisher out of this.

Hey Nokton48 - I made a development of a remaining Retro 320 in 35mm with your recomandation (Legacy pro microdol-x).
The E.I was ISO 125. It worked good by the way. Contrast is high but it seams to be in regards of film characteristics.
Here is one shot :

 

[trendland]

...shot at a little higher temperatures than today.... !

with regards

 

[Nokton48]

Looks good to my eye. Told ya!

How is the shadow detail? You might want to -slightly- increase exposure if you need more shadow detail. Mic-X is not a speedy developer.

 

[trendland]

Looks good to my eye. Told ya!

How is the shadow detail? You might want to -slightly- increase exposure if you need more shadow detail. Mic-X is not a speedy developer.

Well that might be. I used the film with E.I. ISO 125 but with metol based developer. Microdol-x also this special clone has a great reputation not to increase highlights so much.
So it seams to be no problem to have next E.I 100 with same times.

with regards

 

[trendland]

Ok - I cut my theeth running to get best possible results on 35mm.(wich should be a hard nut to crack)
By the way this film is now avaible in 120 and with 120 films or higher it is a real easy way from my point (just look on examples from Nokton48)
Here is an alternate developement with a homebrew Microdol - x : 1 + 6 delution.
I tryed to smaler grain a little bit and the intention was to get more sharpness via stand developement.

 

[trendland]

Microdol-x clone (substitude)
Metol...............................................5g.
Sodium Sulphite..(anhydrous)..100g.
Sodium Chloride...........................30g.
Water to make................................1L.
DELUTION 1 + 6 !!!!
E.I. ISO 80/20 20degree C. 32 min.
Agitation 30/30 sec. 2 min. 10 min.

with regards

PS : The scan isn't the best I perhaps will notice next on a bigger screen - sorry !

 

[trendland]

A good method by the way (from my experience) is to shot just one roll of film wich has to be tested as following :
I use a manual 35mm camera. This camera is with me on different shootings.
A couple of frames is enough to me just to see how the film is working.
I cut several exposed frames from opened camera in total darkness and proceed with developement. (Not more than 5 - 6 frames) after this I let the film in the camera or change it.
So it is working well and I will not waste several times a full film from experimental developement.
with regards