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Not so nice cameras for DIY service and with VF in the corner, plenty of parallax.

I was just using folders as they were used. Not so much of ISO 400 film back then. So, no 400ISO on bright days.
The only thing that really bothers me is the bellows. A lot of people will probably say that it's easy, but I can't be so sure when it's about something I never had to service.

Folders (or any cameras) in the 50ies simply were not buildt for film as fast as iso 400, I think?

Probably so. I've seen an old Zeiss TLR with inscription "Exposure with Ultra Rapid Film in sunshine" and as I figured, the referenced film was Agfa Ultra Rapid. While general consensus over the Internet is a bit vague, its sensitivity should have been between modern 240-400 ISO. So talk about "ultra rapid"

Not always suggested , but , the Iskra cameras had a 1/500 shutter speed and the lens on them is nothing short
of excellent . Having said that though , I know they come with a few uummm idiosyncrasies . Peter


Thank you, I know Iskra and they are sold for 50-ish Euros here, but as a guy from FSU country, having dealt with plenty of Soviet tech, I'd rather keep away from that kind of headache.

It all makes perfect sense now. Thank you for your input!
 

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Old bellows might be problematic. Not only pin and not so holes, but deteriorated textile.
It goes on film and ruins exposures. Could be only cleaned by the software like the Lightroom, Photoshop.
Some made in Japan not even old cameras have bad bellows.
It was at least one new bellows manufacturer on eBay. It was also one website, person selling old cameras with new bellows. Centro66, Jorgen or something close to it.
 
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I remeber Certo6 or Centro6 - a bellowmaker. And yes, I have seen far too many of those cameras with ripped bellows. I should probably check my Karat for integrity.
 

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For dependability, quality and excellent lens, my favorite recommendation is a ZI Super Ikonta B. Rangefinder extremely rugged and Zeiss had the only sure fire lens erecting construction so that lens always parallel to film plane. The post war models have coated 2.8 lens and 1/500 shutte.
 
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It looks promising, sales at around 150$ and if one pays just as much, a 35 mm film adapter is also an option. Neat. Now THAT is Zeiss I know!
 

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Original Mamiya 6, from the 60s, very good lens, top shutter speed of 1/500th. For fast shutter speed, Kodak Tourist withe top of line lens shutter 1/800th, but not a rangefinder, scale focus. Kodak also made Tourist with 1/200 and bottom feeder with 3 shutter speeds and 3 element lens. Tourist also are designed for 620 so you have to respool. I have the 4 element lens with 1/200 shutter, I shoot landscapes on a tripod with Tmax 100 with yellow or orange filter at F11 to 16 so not having a faster shutter speed has not been a problem.
 
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I'm aware of Mamiya (namely model Six IV). Zuiko lens on it came off as a surprise for me. However, no matter how hard I tried, I just could not find any Kodak attractive to me, except 35 mm Retinas and IIRC they are German.
 

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My favourite folder is the Super Fujica-6. Top speed is 1/500, more than enough for C41 film. Coupled rangefinder, unit focusing, 5 element lens and no red window.
 

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My favourite folder is the Super Fujica-6. Top speed is 1/500, more than enough for C41 film. Coupled rangefinder, unit focusing, 5 element lens and no red window.

Came to suggest this. It's not a common camera, but it's definitely worth a look.
 
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Just went to use my TLR this morning, to refresh my memory. Put Portra 160 in and had to resort to 1/15-1/30 on all three shots which I have made so far, even though it's sunny. So top speed of 1/200-1/250 on folders makes perfect sense to me now.
 

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It looks promising, sales at around 150$ and if one pays just as much, a 35 mm film adapter is also an option. Neat. Now THAT is Zeiss I know!

I have never heard of a 35 mm film adapter for Super Ikonta B (or for any other Zeiss folder). Some Rolleiflex TLRs had 35mm adapters, but their mechanisms and viewing system are quite different. If you have any documentation for such an adapter, I would be very appreciative if you could send it to me.

Should you want to buy a Super Ikonta B for use, avoid prewar cameras (black faces and 1/400 shutter), BX models (unless you want to carry bulkier larger camera with non functioning meter There is a reason they are so much cheaper on eBay ). Coated 2.8 Tessar is very capable lens. Some folks on this thread will deny will deny the fact tha Zeiss had the most enduring lens erection construction among all folders. At time when SI B was sold new, they were far more expensive than any other 66 folder.

If I were buying one now, I would not buy from eBay, but would search KEH, Igor’s, Bergen County Camera and other reputable dealers, who will provide guarantee.

Good luck on your search
 

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I would not buy from eBay

I like to hear 'never buy from ebay' it makes it easier for me to find good deals.

Yes, there are scam artists out there. However, there are plenty of reputable sellers, including people like KEH. Also, there are ebay only sellers that have excellent reputations. Buy from those that sell cameras not just households full of junk. Buy from those that offer returns. Buy from those that have 99.9+% positive ratings. Buy from those that have many, many ratings.
 
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They have one right now on Robert's ebay page, although I'm not sure if it's big Z, or just aftermarket. At least the box has Zeiss imprinted.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Zeiss-Ikon...912089?hash=item2f2f4b12d9:g:tnQAAOSwQ49cuKu~

You know more than me, obviously. And I agree - Super Ikonta's Soviet clones called "Moskva" are rather unusually durable for glorious Soviet product. Although if I recall correctly, they are 6x9.

If I were buying one now, I would not buy from eBay, but would search KEH, Igor’s, Bergen County Camera and other reputable dealers, who will provide guarantee.

Good luck on your search
I wasn't searching, I was merely REsearching, but thank you for your post, I had never heard of Igor's and BCC before.
 

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The Zenobia by Daiichi is a favorite folder of mine.



It is a well made, compact 645 folder with Tessar type lens and shutter to 1/500. There were several models, some with built-in rangefinder. They are fairly numerous on eBay and don't cost much.
 
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if you want some information put together about quite some non-basic folders, have a look at this page http://www.120folder.com/compa.htm
Thank you, I think that's all I need!

I saw a few of those cameras. Made me wonder who was coming up with such names.
 

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I stand corrected! From the pictures it seems to take elongated pictures, so it seems that only 11 or 12 frames would be available, unless counter is fiddled with. I suspect that the adapter is prewar, when 35mm was new and both Zeiss and Leitz produced all kinds of stuff, not knowing what would work in the market.
Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.
 
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Oh don't mention, a few days ago it was a new thing for me as well. I guess Z and L knew basics of marketing even back then, if they offered such conversion kits.
 
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I'm probably asking something rather stupid and basic, but what was the scheme behind naming Zeiss cameras? For example 515/2, or 517/16? Do they mean anything, or are they just factory designations?
 

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I think the first number was kind of random? But the last one was not. "2" is 120-film to a 6x9 frame. "16" was 6x6 frame. I'm not sure about 6x4.5 and 127-film etc..
 

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I think the first number was kind of random? But the last one was not. "2" is 120-film to a 6x9 frame. "16" was 6x6 frame. I'm not sure about 6x4.5 and 127-film etc..

You don't want to get into ...

For Ikonta :
520/18 was for 3x4 cm = Baby Ikonta; A stands for Ikonta 6x4.5cm, 520/14 was Ikonta 5x7.5cm; 520, 521, 523/16 was Ikonta 6x6cm; 524/16 was 'Mess-Ikonta' 6x6.
520, 521, 523/2 was Ikonta C - 6x9cm, 524/2 was 'Mess Ikonta 6x9cm.
520/15 was Ikonta D = 6,5x11cm

For Super Ikonta :
A 530 and 531 was 6x4.5cm.
Super Ikonta B 530/16; 532/16; 533/16 (Super Ikonta BX); 531/16 (= Super Ikonta III) and 534/16 (= Super Ikonta IV) were all 6x6cm.
Super Ikonta C 530/2 and 531/2 were 6x9cm.

In other words ...

The first series of Ikonta (around 1930) were labeled the 520 series, A,B,C and D-models. A,B,C used 120 film for 6x4.5, 6x6 and 6x9 negative format size. D-models used 116 or 616 format film for bigger negative size.
Around 1940, the 520 series became the 521 series; A, B and C-models.
In the early 50’s the 523 series came (B and C models).
The 524 series camera was the ‘Mess Ikonta’ (uncoupled rangefinder).

The Super Ikonta cameras (1934 to 1960) were 530 and 531 series.
The Super Ikonta A was 4.5 x 6cm, the Super Ikonta B was 6 x 6cm and the Super Ikonta C was 6 x 9cm, all on 120 film. There was also a Super Ikonta D for 6.5 x 11cm on 616 film.

In the mid 50’s the naming changed : The Super Ikonta A became the Super Ikonta I, the Super Ikonta became the Super Ikonta II, and models III and IV were added.
The Super Ikonta C and the Super Ikonta D were discontinued.
 
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