Hi, guys! New user here.
I’m looking for an SLR for beginners. I want to learn how to use a manual camera. I’ve been using a P&S but it’s starting to feel boring.
I have a small budget and I would prefer not to expend more than 50€. I have already made some research but I’m not sure which camera should I pick. I’ve been looking at Zenit 12 and some Praktica (MTL3, LTL3, MTL 5B, MTL 50, Super TL1000…).
I’ve also been looking for some Canon AV1, but seem to be a lot more expensive
Any thoughts or recommendations on cheap SLRs for beginners?
Thank you
I have an F3 but never shot it… Still looks hard… I prefer rangefinders or AutoFocus SLR
Still, OM2n with 2 lenses for $47, provided all in good and fully working condition, was a steal.
There are TWO like-new MINOLTA MAXXUM 5 cameras on EBAY right now. One is at $20 with one zoom lens, the other is $25 with TWO zooms. The 150 page manual is free on line.
Indeed strange lens choices for that one. Any prime from 24 to about 100 will be great to mount it on without putting body into the background. Also 35-70 f3.6 zoom is excellent and can be had for good price ... with patience of course.The OM2n is an 8/10. Needs news seals, but very clean.
The lenses are in great shape but odd choices for this camera IMO. One is a Zuiko MC Auto-Macro 50mm f3.5 and the other is a Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm f3.5 Macro Focusing Auto Zoom. The 70-210 is huge and outweighs the camera. I would have preferred the 40mm f2. Ha.
I agree that sometimes someone finds Grandpa’s cameras and just wants a quick sale. I look for those deals and that’s what the OP should do. Why no one else bids on them or bids way low is anyone’s guess. I threw out a Hail Mary $50 bid on the OM2n and won it for $47. Go figure.
I think my like-new Vivitar 420/SL for $5 was the best deal, however. These cameras are incredible values and, for some reason, look like someone bought them and then put them in a museum.
I have an F3 but never shot it… Still looks hard… I prefer rangefinders or AutoFocus SLR
The OM2n is an 8/10. Needs news seals, but very clean.
The lenses are in great shape but odd choices for this camera IMO. One is a Zuiko MC Auto-Macro 50mm f3.5 and the other is a Vivitar Series 1 70-210mm f3.5 Macro Focusing Auto Zoom. The 70-210 is huge and outweighs the camera. I would have preferred the 40mm f2. Ha.
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It’s criminal how cheap those are. I have 10 already and shoot them all the time.
If you get the black Japanese version it has a cool panorama crop.
That was a result of marketing not actual best value for learning. And sadly that is reflected in its price, so over the wall for long years now. When still in production it was priced ok, but then the myth of “best student camera” took over and the rest is history.
for leaning manual shooting Maxxum is not the one, too many bells and whistles. Minolta from X range is definitely excellent, XG-M certainly great value, but also X-370
But 50€ budget will take some patience to find body/ lens combo. They are out there just not on a moment’s notice.
I still maintain that a student camera should incorporate some means for the student to SEE the relationship between lens aperture depth of field. As I've stated before the K1000 doesn't allow this without partially dismounting the lens. The Praktica LTL and the redoubtable Pentax Spotmatics can display depth of field, as can the Pentax KX and many other cameras.The K1000 is sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. It was designed to be a good basic student camera, it was sold as such in relatively large quantities and many students learned a lot using it. So its success doing that meant that more were ordered and used. Eventually a lot of students who learned on it became teachers or administrators themselves, and as a result of the camera's basic suitability and availability, it continued being made and purchased for the same use.
In hindsight, a KX or KM or a SRT-101 or a few others might have been better for the purpose, but Pentax did what they did, and it worked quite well.
I still maintain that a student camera should incorporate some means for the student to SEE the relationship between lens aperture depth of field. As I've stated before the K1000 doesn't allow this without partially dismounting the lens. The Praktica LTL and the redoubtable Pentax Spotmatics can display depth of field, as can the Pentax KX and many other cameras.
Hi, guys! New user here.
I’m looking for an SLR for beginners. I want to learn how to use a manual camera. I’ve been using a P&S but it’s starting to feel boring.
Check out the Minolta MAXXUM 5. And amazing DO-IT-ALL camera. I have three of them -- I got each one, like, new, with lenses, for under $25 each. Built-in flash, built in motor drive, tiny body.
That happened because Pentax kept it in production after the rest of the K and M series was long gone. Ks were affordable, readily available used, and had no automatic mode, so students could not "cheat", hence their popularity. (By the late 80s most SLRs had electronically-timed shutters and at least one semi-auto model) In the early 90s we called it the Volkswagen Beetle of cameras, and that was an apt description -- both were simple, crude, and outdated even when new. (I love Beetles, but let's not pretend they are an ode to the car-maker's art.)I beg to differ. It was not as a result of marketing, it was the result of thousands of students using this camera as a learning tool.
I agree the 5 is amazing (bot mine for $17 shipped) but I don't think it's what the OP is looking for. It's auto-focus, and while it does have a manual mode, setting all that with buttons and dials doesn't give the old-school tactile feel that I think most manual-camera-seekers are seeking.
Aaron
That happened because Pentax kept it in production after the rest of the K and M series was long gone. Ks were affordable, readily available used, and had no automatic mode, so students could not "cheat", hence their popularity. (By the late 80s most SLRs had electronically-timed shutters and at least one semi-auto model) In the early 90s we called it the Volkswagen Beetle of cameras, and that was an apt description -- both were simple, crude, and outdated even when new. (I love Beetles, but let's not pretend they are an ode to the car-maker's art.)
I'm a devoted Pentaxian, but I don't recommend the K1000 for anyone except collectors. They are overpriced because of nostalgia. The KM (from which the "decontented" K1000 was derived) and KX (my firstSLR!) are both more feature-rich cameras that sell for less. KX is probably one of the most underrated mechanicals on the market. But the problem with them (besides being out of the OP's budget; good ones are closer to US$85) is they are all-mechanical which means they are more likely to need a CLA, or to at least have less-than-perfect shutter timing. If the OP's budget was closer to 150 Euro, KX would be my pick, but not for this scenario.
And while we're on the subject of Pentaxes, I'd stay away from Spotmatics for the same (mechanical) reasons, plus it's easy to stumble on one with no meter or no mechanical mode. And while the OP wants a more manual experience, stop-down metering might be a bit *too* manual!
K2 is a nice choice with an electronic shutter, but again above OP's budget (and you need to find one from a dry climate, as prism deterioration seems to be a problem). Hence my recommendation of the Ricohs above -- similar feature set with a much, MUCH lower price. Not because they are bad cameras, but because so few people seem to know they are any good.
Aaron
I would suggest that if you have never taught photography you don't understand.
183bb was asking for "any thoughts or recommendations on cheap SLRs for beginners?" with manual control?
The MAXXUM 5 has every manual control that could be asked for -- in addition to automatic features. Switching between auto-focus and manual-focus is a simple press of a button by your left index finger. Plus, many more newer lenses than in the "manual-only" world. Sending "him" back to the 1970's is not only more expensive (MAXXUM 5 for $17 - above), it gets him stuck back there.
A VERY NICE MINOLTA SRT with a 50mm f1.7 manual-focusing lens for $75 versus a like new, MUCH lighter, MUCH smaller MINOLTA MAXXUM 5 with a 28-80mm MACRO Zoom for $20? Not much of a choice in my book.
I beg to differ. It was not as a result of marketing, it was the result of thousands of students using this camera as a learning tool. It became over priced because it was so good as a basic SLR. Built like a tank with all the basic functions and no bells and whistles. It does what it says on the tin.
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