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gr82bart

Hi folks, just a note that I activated the 'forum' features for this group. Look just underneath "Fine Art Nude Group" in the "Social Group" section header. See where it says "Visit the forum of the group" ? Click on the word "Forum" that is underlined. This area has features and functionality identical to the main APUG area forums.
 

Ian Leake

Scott - I was just reminiscing about Mr Neely and his innovations...

Thanks Art.
 

TheFlyingCamera

Ian - oh, HIM.... :D . that was a rather strange attempt at creating a semantic distinction where none existed, was needed, or wanted. Too bad Zoe wasn't still here when he came along- those two would have had quite the popcorn-popping displays I bet...
 

TheFlyingCamera

No- they have a very different aesthetic than I'm looking for. I don't want that 70s punk-counterculture-snapshot-homemade porn aesthetic that they do so well.
 

Ian Grant

Suzie, I have used a German rang-finder camera, a n M3 Leica, in the past it's no different really from using an SLR.

Ian
 
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gr82bart

Zoe and Mr Neely - yes now that would go down into the popcorn hall of fame. For sure.
 

Suzie Place

Could you give me advice on how to create that 70's punk-counterculture-snapshot-homemade porn aesthetic? Also, what are some general principles of Black & White film full-length portraiture? I'm considering black & white due to low light availability. I shoot often in low light. I don't have a studio full of klieg lights.
 

TheFlyingCamera

If you want that 70s punk-counterculture-etc look, the best way to get it is on-camera flash, push your film at least 2 stops (shoot asa 100 film at 400, then overdevelop to compensate), maybe even cross-process (c-41 film in E6 chemistry, or vice versa). Use cameras like you're using, shoot hand-held, and be sloppy with what you include in the background. Make it feel REALLY amateur. All the same applies with black-and-white shots too, with the exception of pushing the film if you use fast film. Kodak and Ilford make 3200 speed films, which if you shoot them at 3200 basically ARE being pushed to begin with.
 
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monkeykoder

Something brought up by PE earlier is the idea of choosing a particular sex to photograph exclusively demeaning in any way? I see this as a basic falsehood it is like saying "I like oreos and I don't like chips ahoy but if I only eat oreos I'm being demeaning to the chips ahoy so I eat both"

Views?
 

TheFlyingCamera

I think that you need to photograph what you respond to. If there's no emotional connection to the work, then no matter how good it is technically, it won't succeed. It will be lifeless. That said, during your learning period, at least, you should experience photographing at least men and women (and if you're fortunate enough, someone of ambiguous or trans-gendered), to learn the differences and nuances of each. You may find that your expected preference is NOT what works best for you artistically after all - photographing men is different than photographing women, and photographing trans people is a whole other ball of wax entirely, as it demands you throw out your preconceptions of gender roles and identity.

I have male friends who are heterosexual as the day is long, but they won't photograph female nudes because for them there is too much sexual tension. They are interested in shooting male nudes because they can work with the model without that tension. I've worked mostly with male nudes, but I have also worked with female nudes back in the day when I was learning the ropes, and I will probably again as I have a project that really needs female models for some roles.

In short, don't limit yourself for the sake of limiting yourself- do it when and because it makes sense for your vision. Don't be afraid to break that limit if it starts to limit your vision, rather than guide it.
 

TheFlyingCamera

Well, aside from the obvious, I like the forms of the male body. I also like the challenges - photographing the male body is different than photographing the female, because it has different textures, shapes and angles. Some people also find it harder to light, perhaps because if nothing else, it's not what they're used to. It certainly requires different lighting than female nudes, because it has more texture and contours. You can't light a woman with as contrasty and directional light as you can a man (at least if you're trying for a "traditional" image - if you're doing bodyscapes or abstracts, you can light either however you want).
 

monkeykoder

Well it isn't obvious to me but I can see your point on the rest. I guess I just have an interest in sharing my vision of a female's body I don't believe there is anything wrong with that. This may come from my belief that the male body isn't as beautiful as the female but I've been told I'm wrong on that many times...
 

TheFlyingCamera

This can set off another discussion of art and sexuality...
I think that your sexuality influences and informs the nude work you do - with the exception of the previously mentioned Curtis Neely and his strange "figurenude" concept, eroticism is at least one component of the work artists do when they work with the nude. The natural inclination is to draw upon what they find erotic themselves. This is not to say that an artist cannot infuse, or merely garnish, an image with an eroticism that they do not share, but it is harder to capture, certainly, and as such is less likely to be attempted, let alone succeeded at.

In short- I like men. I appreciate women, but I like men. So I photograph them.
 

monkeykoder

I see. You shoot men for the same reason I desire to shoot women. Good for you doing what you like.
 

TheFlyingCamera

Secrets of posing? hot lights vs. strobes? studio vs en-plein-aire?
 

monkeykoder

#1 the secret to posing is talk to your model try new things and be able to click the shutter when the moment happens. #2 Depends on how much you want to spend and how much power you need and if you want to deal with the white balance of the hot lights. #3 simple both.

Any other controversial issues you want me to solve in one swell foop.
 

Ian Leake

Controversial issues? How about... Sleeping with your models: just part of the creative process or the height of bad taste?
 

TheFlyingCamera

Sleeping with models.... hmmm.... it's tacky and tasteless, unless they become your significant other. After that, it's just grounds for divorce.
 
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