Filter use with hood on Hasselblad SWC with CF lens

[Deleted member 88956]

While there is some info on this, I'd like to get a clear answer.

On Hasselblad SWC/M with CF lens (so same as 903) filter mount is B60. Not going into spending on B60 filters. The question is with hood mounted, which B60-?? adapter will still fit inside? As I am still awaiting the camera to arrive cannot test this, even then without an actual adapter in hand it would still be an approximation. It is coming with an adapter for 77mm filters, but not clear whether hood was used along though.

My filter selection is mainly in 67 and 72mm range for MF cameras. I suppose 67 mm would have been fine to avoid any vignetting and no fit issues (?) and have a hunch 72 mm adapter would still fit.

While at it, is 62mm filter too small and will vignette in same scenario?

Can anyone pitch in how far I can go, keeping in mind INSIDE the hood set up?

 

[Paul Ozzello]

I don't think you can fit the hood over an adapter ring.

 

[BrianShaw]

Assuming the hood is the fixed Hasselblad hood that fits on the outer bayonet, a B60-67 adapter ring with 67mm filters will fit on the inner bayonet.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

Hood is outside B, filter is inside B mount, something should fit together.

 

[BrianShaw]

If you use the B60-77 adapter and filters, you’ll likely need to use a 77mm screw-in hood.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

If you use the B60-77 adapter and filters, you’ll likely need to use a 77mm screw-in hood.

I'm a few days away from testing this particular combination (waiting on parts), but if B60-77 adapter fits inside hood without hood being a hindrance for proper clearance, then I should be able to use filters with hood mounted as usual. I am also getting B60-67 and B60-72 adapters, so we shall see).

 

[Stats]

The B60-67mm will give you some vignetting in the corners.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

The B60-67mm will give you some vignetting in the corners.

Good to know, thanks.

 

[Sirius Glass]

My first choice for the SWC [and other Hasselblad lenses except the 30mm Fisheye] it to buy B60 used filters in good condition, then B60 new filters. However there are a number of filters that are not made in the B60 mount, R23, R29, and 720 [R72] for example. For those I bought Hoya or Tiffen 67mm filters and use a 67mm to B60 adapter. I hope this helps you. PM me directly if you want to get into details about Hasselblads.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

My first choice for the SWC [and other Hasselblad lenses except the 30mm Fisheye] it to buy B60 used filters in good condition, then B60 new filters. However there are a number of filters that are not made in the B60 mount, R23, R29, and 720 [R72] for example. For those I bought Hoya or Tiffen 67mm filters and use a 67mm to B60 adapter. I hope this helps you. PM me directly if you want to get into details about Hasselblads.

I must assume that a 67 filter (which I have a whole selection of and mostly B&Ws) on B60-67 adapter does not produce any vignetting? I did not think it would, but someone spoke up it would indeed.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I must assume that a 67 filter (which I have a whole selection of and mostly B&Ws) on B60-67 adapter does not produce any vignetting? I did not think it would, but someone spoke up it would indeed.

No, that is why I use it when necessary.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

No, that is why I use it when necessary.

Great, a big plus for my filter stock.

 

[eli griggs]

Buy the more expensive quality brass b60-67mm adapter sobas to reduce the jamming or cross threading of filters.

You'll be happy you did and it's a great addition/investment in your kit.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

Buy the more expensive quality brass b60-67mm adapter sobas to reduce the jamming or cross threading of filters.

You'll be happy you did and it's a great addition/investment in your kit.

Who makes brass adapters B60 to whatever size? I am looking at Heliopan, but Fotomipex has so unclear I have no idea what size it goes to. Probably not Fotoimpex's fault as Heliopan's website appears to be as useless as they come. SO I am waiting for Fotoimpex to address my question.

Anybody else makes these out of brass?

 

[BrianShaw]

Glad be to see you back. I’ve never seen one in brass despite the constant internet recommendation. The ones I use are aluminum and I’ve never had stuck filters.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

Glad be to see you back. I’ve never seen one in brass despite the constant internet recommendation. The ones I use are aluminum and I’ve never had stuck filters.

Looks like Heliopan makes them (over 60 EUR here) but am not yet clear on sizes. Just sent a message to Heliopan and Fotoimpex.

Alluminium ones are all over the place and am not sure if vastly different pricing is any indication of quality, doubt it. But have those coming so I can go 67/72/77 when I need them.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

@BrianShaw Just heard back from Heliopan. They make B60 to 72mm out of brass. NOt sure if 67mm is also available. Still working on how to order one. Will post back.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

To further adapter ring issue, I can confirm Heliopan makes them in brass and pretty much all sizes are available from stock or special order. Cost is around 60 EUR give or take + postage, from various web sites in Germany at least. Fotoimpex has them listed, but they are sadly not describing them fully, it is too much of a game to order the right one from them. But have found another site in Germany with detailed description, so no guessing what is coming. Some sizes are available form stock.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

As I have ordered now one, here is link to the page/site where I got it from. Pretty good selection of top filters too from B+W and Heliopan.

Seems like a top dollar for a ring, but here is my take on this (and it is rather clear why some referred to them as "you will be glad you did dough out for it")

1. My camera came with one B60/67, of aluminum of course. It is looking like in hardly used condition, yet it is loose in the mount. It can likely be bent back to tighten up the fit, but it won't last anyways. So the way I see it, this thing is prone to fall out and with a $60+ filter in it, that filter may not survive the fall.

2. Brass has always been considered superior to anything else for filter rings. and it surely feels different in use and should last a long time.

 

[BrianShaw]

I’m glad you are getting what you want. In over a decade I’ve never had an aluminum ring fall off a camera. If loose they can easily be adjusted to tighten. In fact, I did that yesterday to a new-to-me Hoya filter in B60 mount that was loose. I spent 10 minute searching internet for “how”, 5 minutes following erroneous instructions, and 3 minutes doing it correctly. That is an easy “problem “ to solve. But doesn’t matter… you figured out your optimal solution.

 

[Deleted member 88956]

I’m glad you are getting what you want. In over a decade I’ve never had an aluminum ring fall off a camera. If loose they can easily be adjusted to tighten. In fact, I did that yesterday to a new-to-me Hoya filter in B60 mount that was loose. I spent 10 minute searching internet for “how”, 5 minutes following erroneous instructions, and 3 minutes doing it correctly. That is an easy “problem “ to solve. But doesn’t matter… you figured out your optimal solution.

Good to know fix lasts. I will surely report on this expensive solution. Always liked filters with brass rings and how they thread in and expect same feel from this. Surely, if an outfit in China managed to get on with brass material they would have cost half that at most, but that is not likely to come out anyways.

 

[eli griggs]

While I try to buy brass filters, adapters, I still have some in my bags.

My experience is that aluminum will jam, cross thread if you're inattentive, dent to easily, etc.

Anyone else here ever have to 'lube' an aluminum ring with soft pencil graphite or other material to get it to move smoothly on a lens?

High number 'B' grade pencils work best; HB is no the same.

Brass is much tougher, and I've never had a brass thread jam on a lens, period.

Congratulations on your choice of brass kit, you'll likely have them for a lifetime of good service.

I also need a few brass adapters so I'll be getting them in the next few months.

Happy Thanksgiving to all and Godspeed!

 

[BrianShaw]

The two of you must be retired dentists (inside joke; please don’t take offense). Regarding pencils… never did that but doesn’t B have more clay in the graphic mix than HB? I’d try a harder pencil if I were to try that for a greater graphite schmear.

 

[eli griggs]

Actually, HB and H pencils have the most clay in them, which is the hardening agent.

Graphite is soft, so while the B pencils have some in them, for giving an index of grades, with the softest, most 'smeary' often being a B9, this my recommendation of a B type, which a B3 or B4 being the most I would go.

While graphite is a flat plate particle, allowing the easy, almost greasy sliding of particles past each other, I only use the minimum needed for function, as it makes no sense to have an overabundance of material migrating onto lenses and other kit, including your fingers.

As to profession, I'm a Eniwetok Clean-up vet, no comp of any kind and no job, other than when I can work as an artist in my own small space.

While others may no understand, my choice for the more expensive brass tool is based on function alone, and I do no mind waiting until I've the cash on hand to find what I need, even if it takes some years at time.

You can make sacrifices, and choices in any size budget and I prefer a smaller quality kit, if I can see a way.

PS; I should also add that I have no issues with buying good second hand kit, which is much of what my kit is made of.

Happy Thanksgiving and the Best of Health to you and your Loved ones.

 

[BrianShaw]

Thanks for the correction, Eli. It’s been a long time since I drafted with pencils or read Petrovski’s book.

I recall your career. A long time ago I had a chance to work on Johnston but it fell through. I was looking forward to the challenge but now glad it never happened. Tooele fell through, also… which doesn’t bother me either.

Happy Thanksgiving!