Film from Italy -- Ferrania starting production 2014

[TheToadMen]

I gave to the cause
of slide film resurrected,
perhaps a fogged dream.

The above gives proof.
A poet? Certainly not.
A dreamer? Always.

Ok, that's the best I got. Two Haiku's in one message. I probably haven't written a Haiku since the 4th grade.

One of the best posts in this thread for a long time ...
Thank you!

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Kodak no longer speaks for the future of the industry. This is a thread about Film Ferrania and all of the really cool stuff they are doing to try to save color film for the long-term, starting with transparency film. It's a gargantuan challenge. But Ferrania is willing to climb into the arena and tackle that challenge, with no guarantees of success. Kodak isn't.

Even more cool, Ferrania themselves have briefly shown up on APUG. Even if they never make another post, they weren't afraid to stop by and say thanks for our support. That tells me a lot.

So how about we just stop talking about Kodak entirely? That would fix the negativity problem. I mean, if the current topic in this thread has everyone really excited about Ferrania's attempt to resurrect an E-6 film for us all, then Kodak is totally irrelevant to that topic anyway, right?

Therefore I might propose that from now on we just keep the focus on the "man in the arena who strives" and forget about Kodak. No need to bash them regarding film at all. Not anymore...

I see $277,204 from 4,875 and still rising with exactly 12 days to go, with eight new rolls of E-6 film thus assured to be heading my way at some point. I'm smiling. How about you?

Go Ferrania.

Ken

 

[ME Super]

This is now a kodak vs Ferrania thread... Ugh...

Dan (PKM25) is right, this place has less and less hope for film every day, though I disagree about the RF forum that's worse than here, but I do agree that LF Forum is better than here, I won't even post new topics here because I get trolled and attacked. I could be sharing my new 8x10 Saltzman restoration with everyone and contribute to the knowledge base here, but it's filled with mesn and and angry people who just like to poke others with sticks and then complain when the person pushes them back for being attacked.

The hope for film will be in the sharing, but if people get scared off by "the good ole boys" who protect "their own" instead of cutting out the trouble makers, then there is no hope.

Stop the hate of kodak

Stop the yammering on of negativity, and share your film work, images are contagious but only if others can see them. And they should be GOOD not crap (But that's another story).

[...]

Well that was my rant for the day.

Viva FILMferrania!

No doubt. I primarily shoot E6, which Kodak doesn't make any more, but when I have the need to shoot C41, I tend to reach for the Kodak first. What we need (and what I think Stone and Dan are getting at) is less bashing and more Hakuna Matata around here.

 

[Nzoomed]

Kodak no longer speaks for the future of the industry. This is a thread about Film Ferrania and all of the really cool stuff they are doing to try to save color film for the long-term, starting with transparency film. It's a gargantuan challenge. But Ferrania is willing to climb into the arena and tackle that challenge, with no guarantees of success. Kodak isn't.

Even more cool, Ferrania themselves have briefly shown up on APUG. Even if they never make another post, they weren't afraid to stop by and say thanks for our support. That tells me a lot.

So how about we just stop talking about Kodak entirely? That would fix the negativity problem. I mean, if the current topic in this thread has everyone really excited about Ferrania's attempt to resurrect an E-6 film for us all, then Kodak is totally irrelevant to that topic anyway, right?

Therefore I might propose that from now on we just keep the focus on the "man in the arena who strives" and forget about Kodak. No need to bash them regarding film at all. Not anymore...

I see $277,204 from 4,875 and still rising with exactly 12 days to go, with eight new rolls of E-6 film thus assured to be heading my way at some point. I'm smiling. How about you?

Go Ferrania.

Ken

Yes i agree, lets move on now. Ive said what ive had to say and dont need to say it again.
I guess i just get fustrated, because i would like to believe that someday they may bring their E6 back.
At least ive got a stockpile of it, (about 30 rolls)

 

[Photo Engineer]

Dan, you are always welcome in Rochester. Our meeting and lunch at GEH when you last visited was very pleasant and we will do all we can to make your next visit a pleasure for all as well. And, no Kodak bashing! Right?

This thread, and this forum cannot get it in their heads that complaints about most anything here does little, but if you write to the company concerned or write to their media pages, you might accomplish something. Try it.

PE

 

[pbromaghin]

All I can say is that Film Ferrania has me really excited about the future of film. I knew 3 years ago that a "right sized" producer would appear to supply the market. I had just assumed it would be the drastically shrunken business successor to EK; as it happened, Kodak Alaris. That isn't to be, but these guys seem to be doing way too many things right to fail.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

All I can say is that Film Ferrania has me really excited about the future of film. I knew 3 years ago that a "right sized" producer would appear to supply the market. I had just assumed it would be the drastically shrunken business successor to EK; as it happened, Kodak Alaris. That isn't to be, but these guys seem to be doing way too many things right to fail.

Unlike Apollo 13, I realize that failure is always an option. But while acknowledging that reality, I'm really excited as well. If these guys can pull this off I'll be dancing in the streets.



Ken

 

[Nzoomed]

Dan, you are always welcome in Rochester. Our meeting and lunch at GEH when you last visited was very pleasant and we will do all we can to make your next visit a pleasure for all as well. And, no Kodak bashing! Right?

This thread, and this forum cannot get it in their heads that complaints about most anything here does little, but if you write to the company concerned or write to their media pages, you might accomplish something. Try it.

PE

Well i have said my fair share on their FB page, got no response, would be good if more people hammered their FB page, and maybe they might listen, but i doubt it, but instead of us kodak bashing like you say, im probably more better off giving Film Ferrania my support, since i know who will be pore productive in the long term.

Dont get me wrong, i like their film, but they simply dont offer what i want anymore.

 

[Xmas]

Unlike Apollo 13, I realize that failure is always an option. But while acknowledging that reality, I'm really excited as well. If these guys can pull this off I'll be dancing in the streets.



Ken

Hi Ken

Apollo 13 was a success they got home ok, only missing out on a walk.
Apollo 1 was not so good

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/27/newsid_3392000/3392419.stm

 

[Nzoomed]

Bumping for Ferrania, almost about to hit 300k!

 

[ME Super]

Holy cow, less than $6500 to go to hit $300k! Go Ferrania!

 

[Steve Roberts]

It really all depends on which company's definition of "a lot" is in play, doesn't it?



Ken

Always good to see "a lot" written correctly instead of the more usual "alot"!
Yours pedantically,
Steve

 

[Nzoomed]

only $5K to go before the 300K mark is reached!

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

only $5K to go before the 300K mark is reached!

Yeah, but people also keep canceling their pledges. Just this moment I watched as the Backers count dropped by 1 and the dollar amount dropped by $35.

Kinda' like trying to run up the down escalator stairs...

Ken

 

[Nzoomed]

Yeah, but people also keep canceling their pledges. Just this moment I watched as the Backers count dropped by 1 and the dollar amount dropped by $35.

Kinda' like trying to run up the down escalator stairs...

Ken

Yeah true, but more people still are pledging. They will hit 300K, but not much more i dont think.

I hope they make the rest of their film available afterwards for sale, as there is still plenty left.

 

[Dr Croubie]

I hope they make the rest of their film available afterwards for sale, as there is still plenty left.

Without sounding too cynical, maybe that's why people keep cancelling pledges?
Why should someone pay $20 a roll for a project that's going to happen, when afterwards they can buy the leftovers online for 1/4 of that?
Of course there are the other rewards, the stickers, the numbered rolls and collector boxes, and just the warm-fuzzy feelings that you get from helping (somewhere in one of them is why I'm keeping my money in their pockets).

I'm remembering all of that Game Theory that I studied in my Economics degree, it may suit one person to pull out and buy film cheaper later, but if everyone does it then there's suddenly no project and noone gets anything. Maybe Ferrania should come out and nix the idea that there will be surplus available later for cheaper, or offer more 'kickstarter only' rewards or something?

 

[Nzoomed]

Without sounding too cynical, maybe that's why people keep cancelling pledges?
Why should someone pay $20 a roll for a project that's going to happen, when afterwards they can buy the leftovers online for 1/4 of that?
Of course there are the other rewards, the stickers, the numbered rolls and collector boxes, and just the warm-fuzzy feelings that you get from helping (somewhere in one of them is why I'm keeping my money in their pockets).

I'm remembering all of that Game Theory that I studied in my Economics degree, it may suit one person to pull out and buy film cheaper later, but if everyone does it then there's suddenly no project and noone gets anything. Maybe Ferrania should come out and nix the idea that there will be surplus available later for cheaper, or offer more 'kickstarter only' rewards or something?

That did go through my mind, but i did the math, and it appears people are making larger pledges than intended, if you look at the remaining film rewards, there is plenty left and yet i would have thought they would have needed to have almost sold out of all the film to reach the 250K goal.
Even in the first week they reached over 100k with little film rewards taken.

 

[Chris Livsey]

Even in the first week they reached over 100k with little film rewards taken.

I suppose the conclusion from that could be that people want film to survive but not necessarily E6.
I know there are very vocal E6 supporters but those figures don't look as good for that niche which may mean the group needs to move on to a larger market. seems there is little point scaling up E6 if they have film left, or is it so price sensitive?

 

[Xmas]

Hi Chris

E6 labs will be hurting when Kodak or Fuji stops a process or even a film there are knock on effects.

E6 sales are still in free fall.

More people would have bought Efke film had they anticipated the end game.

The c41 people will want Ferranni to do a c41 film next it is the last chance saloon, yes there are other players but an additional one would be good.

Noel

 

[Nzoomed]

I suppose the conclusion from that could be that people want film to survive but not necessarily E6.
I know there are very vocal E6 supporters but those figures don't look as good for that niche which may mean the group needs to move on to a larger market. seems there is little point scaling up E6 if they have film left, or is it so price sensitive?

I dont want E6 to vanish, neither do Ferrania.
If E6 can be saved, then so will C41.
I dont know why so many people are not interested in shooting E6, its pretty much all i shoot. Its vital to keep E6 or some other reversal film alive for cine film. They will have a huge customer base, i was reading that pro8mm and Wittner cant keep up with the demand of suppling velvia and provia super8 film. That says alot...

 

[Chris Livsey]

Its vital to keep E6 or some other reversal film alive for cine film...

So where are they?
Look at the kickstarter figures:
3 rolls 16mm 53/100 pledged
3 rolls S8 105/400
1 each 16/S8 17/100
etc etc
Dead Link Removed

 

[kraker]

So where are they?

One of them is here. One of 105, it seems.

3 rolls S8 105/400

 

[Chris Livsey]

One of them is here. One of 105, it seems.

Actually the 120/135 pledges are similar so I may exaggerate, I'm not a statistician.

 

[Henning Serger]

E6 sales are still in free fall.

Do you have the real numbers? No, you don't have.
Only Fujifilm has the numbers. And they don't have published any data.
Some people here on apug are telling that, but no one of this group has any reliable data.
Its the same people who are saying there is a availability problem with E6 chemistry (which is completely wrong).
Unfortunately some people here want E6 to die.
They want to discourage photographers to use E6 films.
They are happy when this very important part of the photographic culture is destroyed.
Needless to say I don't understand this behaviour........even if someone is not using it: No one, absolutely no one will have any benefit if E6 is dead!
But we all will benefit if it stays alive.
As we all benefit that the other film types stay alive.
Film photography works as a whole, as a system. A system of variety and creative choices.
And not if only tiny fractions remain.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[Nzoomed]

Do you have the real numbers? No, you don't have.
Only Fujifilm has the numbers. And they don't have published any data.
Some people here on apug are telling that, but no one of this group has any reliable data.
Its the same people who are saying there is a availability problem with E6 chemistry (which is completely wrong).
Unfortunately some people here want E6 to die.
They want to discourage photographers to use E6 films.
They are happy when this very important part of the photographic culture is destroyed.
Needless to say I don't understand this behaviour........even if someone is not using it: No one, absolutely no one will have any benefit if E6 is dead!
But we all will benefit if it stays alive.
As we all benefit that the other film types stay alive.
Film photography works as a whole, as a system. A system of variety and creative choices.
And not if only tiny fractions remain.

Best regards,
Henning

I completley agree. There is no reason not to shoot E6, its just that there is a majority who shoot only C41, some of those want E6 gone it seems, why i dont know, i shoot very little, but thats just me.