Film from Italy -- Ferrania starting production 2014

[Xmas]

sending your local E6 lab some Fuji or Kodak to process may be better thing to do?

 

[cmacd123]

Reading the wittnar tour post it seems the plan is to use the 23cm wide research coating line for production. besides topping out at 8X10 this would make for small production runs. I think they said the machine can be loaded up for 750 Metre rolls, (2400 Ft) and that would be 6 stands of 35mm. So they are planning small production indeed.

Plan is to provide a sub for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF4fixMI-_k and its 16mm cousin. Slides and wider film is just an afterthought at this point.

 

[wblynch]

Well, whoever makes the Rollei CN200/CR200 (Agfa?) has shown us that transparencies and negatives can come from the same film stock. There is no technical reason we can't have color transparencies for many years to come.

I want Ferrania to succeed.

 

[AgX]

Those two Rollei films are not from one stock. One is a maskless C-41, the other a E-6 film.
Both are made by Agfa and Agfa recently stated not to intend to re-start coating of their E-6 film.

 

[wblynch]

Perhaps, but transparencies and negative can be obtained from both. No reason they can't continue their maskless negative film.

I guess my point is that Ferrania (or Agfa, or anyone...) can create a product that allows us color negatives and transparencies.

My perfect world would have Ferrania producing both C-41 and E-6 color films.

 

[Prof_Pixel]

Given that Ferrania will be using a small research coater, my best guess is they will be able maximize the return on (substantial) investment by concentrating on E-6 process Super 8 and 16mm movie film. These users will probably have no other options available.

 

[StoneNYC]

Given that Ferrania will be using a small research coater, my best guess is they will be able maximize the return on (substantial) investment by concentrating on E-6 process Super 8 and 16mm movie film. These users will probably have no other options available.

I really hope they cut some sheet film too, I might buy a few rolls of 35mm in support, but I'm mainly a 120 and 4x5 shooter these days, heck soon I may be an 8x10 shooter...

Hope they produce some small runs of LF as well...

 

[pentaxuser]

Can anyone point me to the last post from Ferrania on its current status?

pentaxuser

 

[Prof_Pixel]

The most recent response from Ferrania I can find is Dead Link Removed dated 19 Nov 2013


BTW, if you are on Facebook you can find them at www.facebook.com/filmferrania

 

[ME Super]

Those two Rollei films are not from one stock. One is a maskless C-41, the other a E-6 film.
Both are made by Agfa and Agfa recently stated not to intend to re-start coating of their E-6 film.

Can you provide a source for Agfa not coating any more E-6? It's such a neutral, less saturated film (provided you order from Wittner, which isn't puke yellow), I'd hate to only be able to shoot what I have left, and may want to stock up while I can.

 

[AgX]

Two members state so refering to statements from Agfa given to them resp. Wittner.

 

[Roger Cole]

Well poop. That was going to be my go-to film to replace Provia 400X if it worked out.

 

[spatz]

oh no... i quite liked that film at 400 iso. With fuji hiking its prices im not sure if I can keep supporting E6 except for super special occasions. I do hope Ferrania manage to breathe new life into E6.

 

[pentaxuser]

The most recent response from Ferrania I can find is Dead Link Removed dated 19 Nov 2013

Thanks for that. I wasn't sure from that link just how close Ferrania is to producing its film. Can we be sure that it is beyond that point where an abortion is still possible?

In the meanwhile what is Ferrania producing that gives these R&D gents a salary?

pentaxuser

 

[Xmas]

Thanks for that. I wasn't sure from that link just how close Ferrania is to producing its film. Can we be sure that it is beyond that point where an abortion is still possible?

In the meanwhile what is Ferrania producing that gives these R&D gents a salary?

pentaxuser

still birth is always possible, cot deaths ditto
bank loan is a normal mechanism swinging interest for /if too much risk
my interest is how are the resellers going to take to it
the cine is niche and a distant memory...
The best thing you can do is preorder queries with resellers that way Ferrania know how they need to cut up their 1st deliverable coating
like 50x120 or 25x220 or 50x127 etc. whatever you need
If they discover a different but additional market it would encourage them
We need to leave no StoneNY unturned.

 

[StoneNYC]

still birth is always possible, cot deaths ditto
bank loan is a normal mechanism swinging interest for /if too much risk
my interest is how are the resellers going to take to it
the cine is niche and a distant memory...
The best thing you can do is preorder queries with resellers that way Ferrania know how they need to cut up their 1st deliverable coating
like 50x120 or 25x220 or 50x127 etc. whatever you need
If they discover a different but additional market it would encourage them
We need to leave no StoneNY unturned.

StoneNYC!!! Lol

I would certainly order 127, and 120, and 4x5 and possibly 8x10. I might buy a few rolls (maybe 2 pro packs) and a single bulk roll can to be complete in my ordering, especially in the first run.

BUT FILM Ferrania's main focus is the cine market, that's their goal. So we are secondary as far as I read it.

We shall see what they say, I wish I could be an early tester...

 

[Xmas]

StoneNYC!!! Lol

I would certainly order 127, and 120, and 4x5 and possibly 8x10. I might buy a few rolls (maybe 2 pro packs) and a single bulk roll can to be complete in my ordering, especially in the first run.

BUT FILM Ferrania's main focus is the cine market, that's their goal. So we are secondary as far as I read it.

We shall see what they say, I wish I could be an early tester...

Yes their assumed market is cine but that may be in error, nostalgia is always a problem. If your want to help their cutting and packaging, email your reseller with tentative order like it was an ULF option.

Then beat hell out of the other E6 people...

The base thickness may be ok for 35mm and large format... maybe roll film maybe not?

If they make lots of cine that does not sell they might stop.

If the other E6 supplier(s) drop out you need F...

 

[AgX]

Thanks for that. I wasn't sure from that link just how close Ferrania is to producing its film. Can we be sure that it is beyond that point where an abortion is still possible?

In the meanwhile what is Ferrania producing that gives these R&D gents a salary?

pentaxuser

Do they get a salary?

 

[StoneNYC]

Do they get a salary?

I'm sure the non-investors get salary, but remember there is a startup capital that's been infused into the company coffers, and I'm sure they have been given a timeline...

 

[wblynch]

Do they get a salary?

They could be taking equity in lieu of salary...

 

[cmacd123]

My understanding is one of the start-ups founders is a filmmaker who is using some of his own funds in a holy quest to keep Colour reversal Movie stock available. That said, I am hoping that once they have something to coat, they may make other formats.

Not sure if a given coating line can work with different thicknesses of film base without a lot of adjustments. Roll film tends to be on a thiner base, while sheet film tends to be thicker. 16mm Movies may want acetate base to make it easy to splice, as would 35mm still film for its lack of Light piping, roll and sheet is perhaps better on polyester, but that is not as critical.

 

[StoneNYC]

Was it Adox that said they might also coat 127?

 

[Nzoomed]

Wittner-Cinetec have visited the Ferrania plant and have a blog on it, its well worth a read.
Film Ferrania state that they will be producing E6 and C41 type films first, and are looking at bringing back their famous B&W stocks as soon as possible.

They also want to reintroduce alot of the obsolete film formats that are no longer made, such as 126 film for example.

Please dont tell me that AGFA is stopping production of Aviphot Chrome 200?

Wittner-Cinetec told me last year that they were guranteed supply of the stuff for at least 3 years.

 

[pentaxuser]

Where are we at on this? I assume that to plagiarise Mr Churchill's words during WWII after El Alamein, "This is clearly not the end and is not even the beginning of the end but it may be the end of the beginning."

Are we yet at the end of the beginning?

Anyone know?

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[ME Super]

I'd be happy to have 35mm in ISO 100 and ISO 400 E-6 films (I'd even be happy with an ISO 200 emulsion instead of the 400 as long as it's pushable). The suspense is killing me, but in the meantime I'll continue to enjoy the E-6 emulsions available from Fuji and Agfa-Gevaert.

Oh, and 126 would be nice so long as somebody makes mounts for it!