Film from Italy -- Ferrania starting production 2014

[AgX]

What you are refering to is colour-tilting or even -crossover. That is not related to colour masking.

 

[cmacd123]

The mask improves colour purity, at all densities.

The masks adds density. Density that could bring a scanner nearer to its noise.

Basicaly the mask adds every density where the colour couplers are NOT, so the density is the same all over even where the Colour couplers would otherwise add "false" density as it is impossible to make a perfect dye. The scanner should be able to treat the whole thing in much the same way as the grey base on B&W film, if it does not have extra light available to compensate it was not designed by someone who understands the process.

The exact Colour of the mask does differ between different types and brand of colour negative, but since it was invented, it has been adopted by almost all makers. early AGFA colour films did not have it, but it was in AGAF CNS which was the last AGFA film with an AGFA only process.

Movie film is used to make prints that are shown 40 feet wide, so they tend to use every trick in the book to get it to work it's best.

 

[cmacd123]

The REMJET should only be removed post exposure.

films without remjet normally have an alternative Anti-Halo Technology. for colour negative it is often essentially a developed out silver layer right under the emulsion. The silver is removed by the same bleach that removes the image silver in the colour process. Films designed for rem-jet of course don't need this extra layer.

In black and White film, besides the Gray base, there are often dyes under the emulsion which lose their colour in the developer or fixer. 120film typically has a similar dye layer on the reverse side often coloured Purple or green. I often find that if I use rodinal that dye comes out when I pour out the developer. It seems to just decolour if I use HC-100

 

[polyglot]

The mask improves colour purity, at all densities.[/quote[

Yes. It makes up for inaccuracies in the spectral sensitiser dyes.

The masks adds density. Density that could bring a scanner nearer to its noise. This is a sales argument by the industry.

No. The dynamic range of a C41 negative is far, far less than the dynamic range of any modern scanner, i.e. C41 is a low-contrast material. The total density is not relevant because the scanner will increase its exposure time according to the minimum density of the film. And finally, the limiting factor in C41 scans is not thermal noise in the scanner CCD (which is what would be increased if you scanned a high-density negative without compensating the scan exposure), but the combination of quantisation noise induced by the high-contrast inversion process and the inherent noisiness of C41 film. In fact, the C41 dye-clouds are the dominant noise source by at least 10dB unless you did something grossly wrong.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Website has been updated: Dead Link Removed

There's an extra info, but you'll need to look for it. I love a mystery!

 

[AgX]

If I'm right the answer is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrD_VnOsqYs

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

I love a mystery!

Well it sure isn't me. But I could make a guess or two...



Ken

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

If I'm right the answer is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrD_VnOsqYs

Ah! Ah! You got it!

 

[StoneNYC]

Ah! Ah! You got it!

I don't speak nor read Italian... Ugh, someone want to clue me in??

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Version for Ken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJKXMRii668


P.S. And others...
P.P.S. I'm not Italian, but I understand a bit of it.

 

[StoneNYC]

I don't speak nor read Italian... Ugh, someone want to clue me in??

Correction I figured out what others meant now...

Looks like ... Oh I can't recall his name... Wish it were PE but it's not, it looks like that JD Salomon or whatever his name is... Retired LF guy...

 

[wblynch]

Short and sweet answer please.... Are we gettin Ferrania film or not!

Thanks

 

[StoneNYC]

Short and sweet answer please.... Are we gettin Ferrania film or not!

Thanks

They added an employee so they are still going, let's hope America can step in and save the day... Again...

 

[wblynch]

It takes people from all over the world to save film

 

[StoneNYC]

It takes people from all over the world to save film

I know, and I was just kidding around.

I'm half Italian by heritage and all American by birth, so... Maybe I should go help them?

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

There's an extra info, but you'll need to look for it. I love a mystery!

Note to EK/KA...

No longer content with "Mushroom Management" customer relations in the Internet Era, THIS (and all of the posts about to follow) is what film marketing looks like in 2014.



Ken

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

They added an employee...

Don't think it said "employee", did it?

Ken

 

[StoneNYC]

Don't think it said "employee", did it?

Ken

I don't know what they call a "1099" in Italy... But no one works for free... So they are employing his skills and he is gaining something from them in return guaranteed... So for all intents and purposes ... Employee (even an owner is an employ of himself...lol)

 

[MattKing]

I don't speak nor read Italian... Ugh, someone want to clue me in??

Stone:

You have a perfect choice for a new APUG signature!:devil::devil:

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

The shuffling fellow shown in the blurred photo has a beard...

Ken

 

[AgX]

They added an employee so they are still going, let's hope America can step in and save the day... Again...

One added employee is another mouth to feed...


But I guess you are right, Stone.

 

[Nzoomed]

Quoted from their website:

"FILM Ferrania was officially formed in Ferrania, Italy on July 23, 2013 by co-founders Nicola Baldini and Marco Pagni with the aim to build a new factory from the leftover parts of the old one, originally founded in 1923..
Through massive cooperation with the local government, FILM Ferrania currently has a facility, most of the necessary machinery and even a large stock of chemistry.

With all of this, we still have an enormous task ahead of us. We aim for nothing less than fundamentally changing the way you buy, use and process film today."

This is interesting, because I thought they had the old research facility all set up and upgrades, all ready to go, now it appears they want to build a new factory, so i expect they now realise the demand is alot higher than they expected!
Im guessing they will still use the research lab to produce film with its smaller coating machinery, but they will build a new facility to produce larger production runs perhaps? It seems they must have the machinery from the old plant in storage somewhere. I cant wait to see this get off the ground.
Kodak are stabbing themselves in the foot...

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

In case you haven't seen it before, read this article on the Wittner site: http://www.wittner-cinetec.com/info/filmferrania/english.php
Remember that in some languages and cultures "building" doesn't necessarily mean to build a new factory. It means here to re-arrange the R&D department to work as a production facility.

I thought they had the old research facility all set up and upgrades

That is partially true. The facilities need a lot of work to be converted. Again, the Wittner report contains information as to what and why is it needed. The main thing is that the R&D facility depended of the main plant for its energy sources.

It seems they must have the machinery from the old plant in storage somewhere.

Ask Harman or perhaps Film Ferrania themselves what is the size of such coating machine. I think you'll realise that it isn't something you can put into storage somewhere.
I believe the main plant is used now to produce something else by Ferrania Technologies: http://www.ferraniait.com/index.html

 

[AgX]

The chemical plant part of Ferrania in the narrower sense is now what Ferrania stands for.

 

[Nzoomed]

In case you haven't seen it before, read this article on the Wittner site: http://www.wittner-cinetec.com/info/filmferrania/english.php
Remember that in some languages and cultures "building" doesn't necessarily mean to build a new factory. It means here to re-arrange the R&D department to work as a production facility.


That is partially true. The facilities need a lot of work to be converted. Again, the Wittner report contains information as to what and why is it needed. The main thing is that the R&D facility depended of the main plant for its energy sources.


Ask Harman or perhaps Film Ferrania themselves what is the size of such coating machine. I think you'll realise that it isn't something you can put into storage somewhere.
I believe the main plant is used now to produce something else by Ferrania Technologies: http://www.ferraniait.com/index.html

I think the Wittner article sums everything up quite well, and is enough evidence that film production will be starting very soon.
What is unclear to me is how much of the old film plant remains, large scale coating machines etc. From what i understand, only the research facility is left and has been maintained, etc.
I think the chemical division of ferrania technologies is totally separate, and i dont think that "Film Ferrania" is owned by them any more; also the power plant would be in use right now to keep the chemical plant running, so i can only assume that the coal power plant mentioned in the article was used for film production only, it looks like they will use this power plant until they get another power supply sorted, as it produces more energy than what is required, so obviously will cost excessive money, unless large scale film production ever started again.