Film from Italy -- Ferrania starting production 2014

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StoneNYC said:
B&H Photo has re-rolled 620 in kodak and I think fuji color film. If you want fresh.
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Yeah, but it's pricey. They also have black and white. I picked up a couple of rolls of TMX for my little Kodak "faux-TLR" that my wife got me a while back and it was expensive then. Looks like it's gone up more since.

Some other folks were selling it on eBay last time I looked too.
 

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It was $15 last I checked, but, it's like this, it's available, it's the only place to get it fresh, it's done well without light leaks, and you don't have to worry about screwing it up yourself. I'm just saying it's available. Better than naught
 

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Come on friends, please let Kodachrome rest in peace forever!! Photo Engineer already had set the facts straight -- E6 films got so advanced enough that K14 films didn't have a strong advantage. Even modern E6 films have excellent fade-resistance over time. Professionals shifted en masse to Velvia 50, they weren't too much interested in K14 films even after Kodak engineered a T-grain kodachrome of ISO 400 with excellent image quality. No one bought it...

And the K14 process, if you read carefully all the steps and tolerances needed, is a Royal Painchromatic in the A**!! Do you really want to pay like triple or 4x the cost of E6 processing to get your slides? Because K14 development was cost-effective when everybody used Kodachrome, but it will be really really really expensive in these times.

What would be interesting, though, would be an E6 film that tried to emulate the K25 color pallete. And a modern ISO 25 E6 slide film could be made to be extremely sharp as well...
 

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What would be interesting, though, would be an E6 film that tried to emulate the K25 color pallete. And a modern ISO 25 E6 slide film could be made to be extremely sharp as well...
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I asked PE if this could be done, and he said it could be designed, but could be very grainy and poor dye stability.
If Ferrania could pull off such a film though, i would be first in line to buy it.


Here is his quoted reply:
"Nzoomed; An E6 film that looks like Kodachrome could be designed, but it would be a costly project with no guarantee of having good qualities such as grain or sharpness or more importantly, dye stability.

You see, Kodachrome dyes become microcrystalline in the coating after formation, and this helps resist fade. There is also a relief image that forms that assists in sharpness. The crystals are hard to form in E6 and so a design method has to be used to change the dyes to be more stable. The designer must add antioxidants and take other measures. AFAIK, the relief image would be impossible to form for technical reasons that are very complex but lets just say that the actual dye formation where nothing was before causes bumps and bulges in the Kodachrome image area. This is just about impossible in E6."
 

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You have to add that in the case of answering the question by flavio81, all qualities such as sharpness, grain and image stability are relative to the comparable Kodachrome film, so in this case it would be grainier than K25 and not as sharp as K25. Image stability would be up in the air depending on design of the couplers and method of incorporation.

PE
 

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I guess how sharp and grainy such a film would be is anybodys guess. I know that kodachrome 200 was fairly grainy, but if such a film was no worse than K64 in grain and/or sharpness i would be happy enough with that.
 

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I was joking about Kodachrome, we all know that ship has sailed, would be nice to get that cool relief from an E-6 or a "retro" E-6 with the imperfect look of Kodachrome, but honestly I'm happy with fuji, good stuff, and I'm starting to warm to Portra160 at least, still not happy with the grain issues in the shadows with Portra400, but my feelings may change if I get to learn to print color at the school I'm in.

Maybe by then FILMferrania will be making C-41 sheet film
 

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Well, in some measure the film they will be making is a bit retro.
The formula is from a decade ago and I expect a rather milder look, akin to agfa perhaps. Not as contrasty nor saturated. And as demostrated by a fellow forumer a while ago on one of these threads, E6 can look quite retro in many cases.

The 400-800/3200 mention sounds very interesting. 400 would be nice, Provia 400X is missed.
 

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IDK whats the point of even selling 620 film when you can cut down the rolls with snips or nail clippers, since 120 uses plastic spools these days.

Im sure that Ferrania may be able to produce a dual purpose plastic spool for their 120 films so that the user can simply snap off the plastic, therefore reducing it down to 620.
 

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Prest_400 said:
And as demostrated by a fellow forumer a while ago on one of these threads, E6 can look quite retro in many cases.

The 400-800/3200 mention sounds very interesting. 400 would be nice, Provia 400X is missed.
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Retro is the main reason i shoot film, E6 in particular, some C41 films are even too perfect for my liking, (getting close to digital.)
E6 looks really retro, although even Ektachrome has fairly vibrant colours, but is still very retro.
An E6 film with warm colours is what i want, i want my photos to look like they have been taken back in the 60's and 70's.
I love the Agfa Aviphot stock like what is used in Wittnerchrome, although grainy, those photos have a serious retro look to them, with Kodachrome like reds popping out. If i could find an E6 film that looks like Kodachrome or even better still, "vintage" Kodachrome, i would be first in line to buy it.
 

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E100GX was wonderful, and would be a great "inspiration" for Ferrania.
 

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When Kchrome25 stopped I tried the E6 films as well as 64 eventually settling on velvia 400 with my single coated lenses contra jour.
I got a pastel water colour look.
I did shoot one or two of the Ferranni E6 films about 2005 single coated and multi, too bland would have been ok for weddings.
But if you like painting with couple a tubes of different green like the impressionists then you need couple of lenses, set hoods etc. eg I had a MC Om1 28 and a SC 28.
Sad but we might not have the choice (like in 2005) for film.
But there is a big difference between an uncoated, single coated and multi coated lens on any E6 film or digital.

Colour is very subjective you might hate velvia with SC.

Note the digital people do use old lenses on adapters.
 

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ericdan said:
We need a replacement for Provia 400X
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Yes my crystal ball says Ferranni 400.

Impossible some time this spring said they had not broken even yet and none of theirs are like any of Polariods or Kodaks instant films.

Ferrani have stopped once already.

There is not a lot of volume left in E6.

Id hope that Ferranni could get out of red and stay in black.

Fuji and Kodak are in life boat with the Davits swung out.
 

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AFAIK, the reference to google books is wrong. That "400" should read "200" to cover all of the Kodachrome films. The 400 speed never made it beyond pilot (or perhaps research) samples. These samples were slated for publication and thus went to editors of magazines, but they were not interested, nor were the pro photographers that got samples.

I do not have details, but only vague stories from the project workers that go back many years.

PE
 

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Ooops, ooops, oooops.
My bad.

But note that you will get results if you search for "Kodachrome 400" in google (quoted, so it is searched as a whole phrase)
 

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