I think we can all almost without doubt agree that Kodak's future is very uncertain as far as film production goes, and i for one totally forgot that Ferrania ever existed, i must say i was surprised to learn that they had produced film as recent as 2010, and it is great to see a brand that i thought was history will be making an amazing comeback, just when we all thought that the future of E6 film was uncertain, we see Film Ferrania come to the surface.
I dont even care even if they did make crappy films, thats in the past, they have new blood and are dedicated to producing film for the very people that want it, and thats us!
One wonders if that when Kodak eventually shuts down film production, and time passes, might the same thing happen in some similar fashion? Can a smaller group of people acquire the rights to Kodak's formulations and bring them back to life, in whatever way is possible in a smaller scale process.
One wonders if that when Kodak eventually shuts down film production, and time passes, might the same thing happen in some similar fashion? Can a smaller group of people acquire the rights to Kodak's formulations and bring them back to life, in whatever way is possible in a smaller scale process.
Kodak offers NO reason to be hopeful for film's future.
Fuji offers less and less reasons to be hopeful for film's future.
Ferrania joins Ilford in offering hope.
PKM-25; said:APUG offers less and less reasons to be hopeful for film's future.
That's an interesting opinion.
Care to elaborate your rationale?
I'm in no way knocking it, I think it is great and from a larger scope perspective, this is a testament to how niche film use has become and how it should approached as a long term product. I only said what I did because Kodak and their current color and black and white offerings have been mentioned a few times and regardless of who makes what, I defend those offernings because I find them to be exactly what I want to use.
But the biggie folks....no matter what the industry topic originated as, picking apart and dissecting Kodak and now Kodak Alaris seems to be a favorite pastime of a subset group of Apuggers and seems to be served up as Internet dessert after every industry meal, so to speak.
It's alright though eh, I spend *far* less time on this site because of that so you won't need to endure more than this post.
In regards to active posters...
dpreview offers NO reason to be hopeful for film's future.
APUG offers less and less reasons to be hopeful for film's future.
Large Format Forum joins Rangefinder Forum in offering hope.
The increasingly negative aspects of industry topics on here are talked about on other forums now, kind of like the site's overall mission statement is a laughing stock on other forums.
...folks lose their appetite and go elsewhere....
I personally think that film's decline will plateau like other similar niche markets.
Examples that come to mind include people who still hunt with black powder muzzle loading rifles. Companies still make those rifles plus black powder and percussion caps despite the technology being outdated since the close of the 1800s. Archery is still around centuries after the last archer went to war.
Sailboats, handmade furniture, bamboo fly rods, hand knit sweaters made from wool (seriously, it grew on a sheep in a field somewhere), fountain pens, swords, vacuum tubes for your guitar amp, and a saddle for your horse can all be bought new today despite being massively outsold by newer technologies.
The guy my kid's school hired with his horses to pull the wagon for their fall festival hay ride had a buggy whip he bought somewhere. They're still making those too.
Even within film, large format has been a sub-niche for decades and you can still buy newly manufactured cameras despite the minuscule market.
100 years from now some Luddite will still be shooting film just like us. Maybe he will even buy it from Ferrania.
I don't know. I'll be dead then, but maybe the few bucks I sent to Italy will have helped that guy make some art he enjoys.
-J.
Out of about 70,000 members the same people are posting on this thread. If this is the interest level of the Ferrania project, I fear that things are pretty bad off. Of course they raised their $ goal and this is good, but what about APUG? So little interest? Lets use APUG as a trial business model in which about 25/70000 is the customer base.
Not very good is it?
PE
Out of about 70,000 members the same people are posting on this thread. If this is the interest level of the Ferrania project, I fear that things are pretty bad off. Of course they raised their $ goal and this is good, but what about APUG? So little interest? Lets use APUG as a trial business model in which about 25/70000 is the customer base.
Not very good is it?
PE
Yes i was going to mention vacuum tubes, I myself build guitar amps, and there is a far bigger market for vacuum tubes today than there was 20 years ago. Sadly, the big names such as Mullard and Telefunken stopped production before they realised there was a niche market for them, same for film, we may not realise it now, but people will miss it, and then it will gain a big following. And just like valves, we will no longer have the big brands left, but the Russian valves kept it alive and then the chinese started production from scratch.
If it happened with valve audio, it will happen with film, i can guarantee it. We may end up with new Chinese films on the market, who knows? I dont know if i would want to shoot Chinese films, but if the quality of them was good, what is there to stop you?
One bad apple spoils the bunch, 5-6 spoil the crop....
The increasingly negative aspects of industry topics on here are talked about on other forums now, kind of like the site's overall mission statement is a laughing stock on other forums.
It's like having a server in the buffet line constantly busting wind....folks lose their appetite and go elsewhere....
Out of about 70,000 members the same people are posting on this thread. If this is the interest level of the Ferrania project, I fear that things are pretty bad off. Of course they raised their $ goal and this is good, but what about APUG? So little interest? Lets use APUG as a trial business model in which about 25/70000 is the customer base.
Not very good is it?
PE
Lets use APUG as a trial business model in which about 25/70000 is the customer base.
It's also wonderful to see an initial peek through the door by the newest APUG member '(there was a url link here which no longer exists)'. How about that?
I think we're good...
...and there are 25 poets, completely missing the narrative part of poetry.
Out of about 70,000 members the same people are posting on this thread. If this is the interest level of the Ferrania project, I fear that things are pretty bad off. Of course they raised their $ goal and this is good, but what about APUG? So little interest? Lets use APUG as a trial business model in which about 25/70000 is the customer base.
Not very good is it?
PE
Woo, as long as it's a real account, they can join the ranks of Simon from Ilford, Omer from Catlabs, and Mirko from Adox.
Much better than Shinji from Fuji and Barry from Kodak, they never even show up so I had to invent names for them...
I personally think that film's decline will plateau like other similar niche markets.
Examples that come to mind include people who still hunt with black powder muzzle loading rifles. Companies still make those rifles plus black powder and percussion caps despite the technology being outdated since the close of the 1800s. Archery is still around centuries after the last archer went to war.
Sailboats, handmade furniture, bamboo fly rods, hand knit sweaters made from wool (seriously, it grew on a sheep in a field somewhere), fountain pens, swords, vacuum tubes for your guitar amp, and a saddle for your horse can all be bought new today despite being massively outsold by newer technologies.
The guy my kid's school hired with his horses to pull the wagon for their fall festival hay ride had a buggy whip he bought somewhere. They're still making those too.
Even within film, large format has been a sub-niche for decades and you can still buy newly manufactured cameras despite the minuscule market.
100 years from now some Luddite will still be shooting film just like us. Maybe he will even buy it from Ferrania.
I don't know. I'll be dead then, but maybe the few bucks I sent to Italy will have helped that guy make some art he enjoys.
-J.
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