Film from Italy -- Ferrania starting production 2014

Nzoomed · Oct 9, 2014

Ricardo Miranda said:
Ferrania P30, anyone used it?

Ferrania P30 by Jim Davies, on Flickr

No i havnt, in fact i didnt hear about this film until reading about film ferrania.
From what i read, it was a famous film in the day, was initially a cine film, but was also adopted for still photography.
I understand that they want to bring this film back sometime in the future.

Roger Cole · Oct 9, 2014

Really? I hadn't gathered that they planned to bring back P30 but I didn't read all the links.

As long as it doesn't interfere with or distract from their color endeavors. We have sufficient and sufficiently varied black and white in the market already even if KA were to go under, what with Ilford, Foma and Adox. Heck, I'd be happy with just Ilford though competition is good.

kb3lms · Oct 9, 2014

They only talked about reintroducing the ScotchChrome color. I hope they concentrate on that and a C-41. B/W can wait for the moment.

OTOH, the handwritten formula for P30 is almost legible. Hmmm.

pdeeh · Oct 9, 2014

Roger Cole said:
Really? I hadn't gathered that they planned to bring back P30 but I didn't read all the links.

They don't, but they cover its use in Italian cinema in one of their blog posts about the history of FF, and they have a picture there also of a couple of pages of a formula book which shows a P30 formula.

rwhb12 · Oct 9, 2014

I am in London tomorrow if someone has an address I will go round and look to see if a big building still exists large enough for a coater.

russ

dak had production film coating lines at UK Harrow (line 4 I think) and somewhere in France as late as about 2005, I'm told the line 4 building is still extant, but donno if that is true, no more information, but most of the staff redundant some time ago. Kodak has reduced staff numbers a lot. I'm advised KA still coats paper there (at Harrow) on a different coater.

Xmas · Oct 9, 2014

Alaris are in Harrow

http://wwwuk.kodak.com/UK/en/corp/manufacture.jhtml?id=0.1.4.16&lc=en

They still coat paper there.

Im advised the line 4 building is still there but by a Kodak fan boy, so pinch of salt.

cmacd123 · Oct 9, 2014

Ricardo Miranda said:
Ferrania P30, anyone used it?

When I was just starting to take pictures, I got a few rolls of P33, which was 160ASA as I vaguely recall. and I did get the distinct impression that it was the same film sold as "Dynapan". That was the free film that Mercury Photo service (A 3M company) gave you when you brought in a roll of B&W for processing.

The Brand was in the same sort of packaging as "Dynachrome" which came across as 3M/Ferrania's Kodachrome clone. Dynacrome was sold with processing included so it did not have any process code on the package. Maybe Ron remembers the relationship. I am sure that kodak would have been doing both competitive analysis as well as Patent Patrol analysis.

As far as 3M USA, some paructs had an Oklahoma address. Besides film, they also sold Microfilm, film for printing, X-ray film, and dry silver paper for microfilm blowback.. 3M of course also coated recording tape, Sticky tape and not to forget their original product Sandpaper.

Nehalem501 · Oct 9, 2014

The Kodak plant in France in Chalon-sur-Saône was torn down in 2007 & 2008.
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Ken Nadvornick · Oct 9, 2014

Heck, if I were Kodak I'd just fully fund the Ferrania effort to build a right-sized manufacturing complex from the remains of the original plant, thus once-and-for-all removing the film monkey from their backs.

It seems they've already done this several times and in other locations in the past, right? Well, just do it one more time. Then everyone left in the world who still wants film would go there to whine and cry instead of looking to Rochester.

Kodak could be done with film forever. No more demands from Hollywood directors. No more demands from APUG. No more demands from Ken. No more demands from anyone.

They could then just retire to blister-pack printing heaven...

Ken

Nzoomed · Oct 9, 2014

Roger Cole said:
Really? I hadn't gathered that they planned to bring back P30 but I didn't read all the links.

As long as it doesn't interfere with or distract from their color endeavors. We have sufficient and sufficiently varied black and white in the market already even if KA were to go under, what with Ilford, Foma and Adox. Heck, I'd be happy with just Ilford though competition is good.

Im sure they posted on a blog somewhere that they would like to bring back some of their popular emulsions such as P30 at some point.
They did indicate that it could be a long way off and that some chemicals may have to be substituted etc.

Prof_Pixel · Oct 9, 2014

Ken Nadvornick said:
Heck, if I were Kodak I'd just fully fund the Ferrania effort to build a right-sized manufacturing complex from the remains of the original plant, thus once-and-for-all removing the film monkey from their backs.

What makes you think that EK or KA have the financial resources to attempt such a thing? They are both struggling for their own survival.

Xmas · Oct 9, 2014

Ken Nadvornick said:
Heck, if I were Kodak I'd just fully fund the Ferrania effort to build a right-sized manufacturing complex from the remains of the original plant, thus once-and-for-all removing the film monkey from their backs.

It seems they've already done this several times and in other locations in the past, right? Well, just do it one more time. Then everyone left in the world who still wants film would go there to whine and cry instead of looking to Rochester.

Kodak could be done with film forever. No more demands from Hollywood directors. No more demands from APUG. No more demands from Ken. No more demands from anyone.

They could then just retire to blister-pack printing heaven...

Ken

HiKen

Kodak offered the plant to the big studios? They said...

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FIlm volume is still shrinking.

APUG needs to buy more & post less.

Noel

Ken Nadvornick · Oct 9, 2014

It was a joke...

Ken

georg16nik · Oct 9, 2014

There was an article on Hollywoodreporter about an agreement between the film studios and Kodak, July 2014.
Thou, things might've changed since.

railwayman3 · Oct 9, 2014

Xmas said:
Alaris are in Harrow

http://wwwuk.kodak.com/UK/en/corp/manufacture.jhtml?id=0.1.4.16&lc=en

They still coat paper there.

Im advised the line 4 building is still there but by a Kodak fan boy, so pinch of salt.

If that's Kodak's current link, their site is years out of date. The Annesley factory closed several years ago, and the only reminders now are two drainage lakes, known as the "Kodak Lakes", which have been converted into (very attractive) fishing venues:

http://www.nottinghamanglers.co.uk/kodak-lakes-annesley.html

I can remember, on any journey on the M1 motorway, you would almost always see Kodak trucks going north to Annesley with coated film from Harrow, or returning south with finished product. Annesley was an award-winning factory when it was first opened, and quite a major local employer.

Trucks and vans with the distinctive "Agfa" logo and livery were also a not-uncommon site on UK roads.

Photo Engineer · Oct 9, 2014

The Ferrania film is indeed legible although labeled ORTO 80. The right hand page is a list of addenda which, I presume, also has the spectral sensitizing dye listed. It looks like they use a code.

Anyhow, the core instructions are there for anyone to read on the left hand page!

Anyhow, today's formulas are faster and less grainy.

PE

pdeeh · Oct 9, 2014

I think it's just a rather ornate "3" rather than an "8", PE.

What are the 4th and 7th entries in the ingredient list on the LHS, dou you think?
. I'd initially thought "Gel" would mean it was gelatin, but if so, why two entries?

Photo Engineer · Oct 9, 2014

Often, gelatin is added several times to an emulsion, especially if they contain addenda. It is also not uncommon to add many types of gelatin such as the Yak gelatin used in one particular Kodak product.

PE

pdeeh · Oct 9, 2014

ah, thanks.

Lachlan Young · Oct 9, 2014

Photo Engineer said:
Often, gelatin is added several times to an emulsion, especially if they contain addenda. It is also not uncommon to add many types of gelatin such as the Yak gelatin used in one particular Kodak product.

PE

What were the unique qualities of yak gelatin? And what was the product?

Photo Engineer · Oct 9, 2014

IDK and IDK.

Lachlan Young · Oct 9, 2014

Photo Engineer said:
IDK and IDK.

Part of me wonders if it was a supremely well executed practical joke...

Just out of interest, are there any significant, measurable differences in the photochemical properties of gelatin prepared from different animals? I recall some story about cattle eating mustard and that having an effect, but surely the material is so refined nowadays that it is of little consequence?

Louis Nargi · Oct 9, 2014

They are Kickstarter.com I found them there while looking around

Nzoomed · Oct 9, 2014

Hey, im wanting to shoot some new films since my stock is running low, Has anyone shot much AGFA precisa?
AFAIK, its rebranded Fuji Provia, since its much cheaper im tempted to shoot it.

Any feedback would be good.

Roger Cole · Oct 10, 2014

Nzoomed said:
Hey, im wanting to shoot some new films since my stock is running low, Has anyone shot much AGFA precisa?
AFAIK, its rebranded Fuji Provia, since its much cheaper im tempted to shoot it.

Any feedback would be good.

I've shot several rolls of it. It's fine. As far as I can tell it's Provia 100F. At least, I can't tell the difference. It's still cheaper, but not as much as it used to be.

Film from Italy -- Ferrania starting production 2014

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