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You are indeed very lucky!
Ray;
A point was missed here. You are spending a lot of time and mental capacity just looking up trivial information on Kodak people. It is a curious thing to me that you would devote so much time to this effort.
I was indeed lucky to know her and many of the other great figures of the time.
PE
A point was missed here. You are spending a lot of time and mental capacity just looking up trivial information on Kodak people. It is a curious thing to me that you would devote so much time to this effort.
I was indeed lucky to know her and many of the other great figures of the time.
PE
PE,
There are a few members here at Apug who devote quite a lot of their time looking back into the history of the industry.
Especially as this complex is merely covered by photo-historians up to now, I consider this a useful employment of time. (Of course one can argue about the usefulness of any kind of historic research.)
The same time we should not forget to look ahead.
One can go both ways...
There are a few members here at Apug who devote quite a lot of their time looking back into the history of the industry.
Especially as this complex is merely covered by photo-historians up to now, I consider this a useful employment of time. (Of course one can argue about the usefulness of any kind of historic research.)
The same time we should not forget to look ahead.
One can go both ways...
Oh, I know that. I love to read historical texts, but to me this just does not seem to be history. I lived it as an everyday job. These people were people that I met with, saw in the hall and waved to or who we used to have division parties with, not some mythical historical giants. And, it isn't that long ago either. Or, I am ancient!
PE
PE
Err, do we have to answer that last question?! ;^)
Whatever is mundane today will be History(albeit obscure History) 50-100 years from now.
Bill
Bill
There is a minor error in the comment of that film:
After a reference that cellulose-ester has been created, again it is referred to cellulose being powdered, before it is stated that cellose-ester is brought in contact with a solvent to form the liquid form of the base.
After a reference that cellulose-ester has been created, again it is referred to cellulose being powdered, before it is stated that cellose-ester is brought in contact with a solvent to form the liquid form of the base.
It was near the end of the sentence. That's OK, we're all getting old!
The Kodak video seems to suggest that Kodak produced the whole bundle of materials that go into a sensitized film product (mixing tenses). Is this an accurate observation?
Tom.
Tom.
Not quite.
They only state that they produce the base and the layers as well as the silvernitrate. One can deduce from the film that they produce the celloluse ester too. But that is all.
No hints at the other chemicals.
Furthermore they state that they finish the backing paper.
They only state that they produce the base and the layers as well as the silvernitrate. One can deduce from the film that they produce the celloluse ester too. But that is all.
No hints at the other chemicals.
Furthermore they state that they finish the backing paper.
At one time, Kodak made virtually everything for all of its products. This included Dyes, HQ, Metol, Silver Nitrate, Cellulose Acetate and etc......
Nowdays, IDK.
PE
Nowdays, IDK.
PE
PE,
Do you have any notion of how the economics and practicalities of making everything in-house would compare(d) to buying in materials for a company such as Kodak?
Tom.
Do you have any notion of how the economics and practicalities of making everything in-house would compare(d) to buying in materials for a company such as Kodak?
Tom.
No.
PE
PE
Full translation of Kodak film!
Hi all,
I've managed to create a full translation of the Kodak film. Took quite a bit of work, especially since I recorded the timing as well, but it will hopefully be of some help. It's included as an attachment, both in Excel 2003 and plain text format.
Maybe one of the English members of APUG could scrutinize the text a bit and make sure the English technical terms and language is OK. I've done my best, but it's not my mother tongue. If you modify it, send me a PM with the files attached, or post them here in the thread.
In addition, I also contacted the owner of the website where the film is hosted, Frank Bruinsma, who runs a lab for processing 8 millimetre film in all of it's incarnations. He told me the Dutch synchronized version of this film came from a heritage and was on 16 mm film with an optical soundtrack.
He also told me he was willing to share the digitized version with us, if one of the APUG members would like to add subtitles or English language narration. He can deliver it in professional DVCAM, or more common AVI (3GByte) format. His only request was to receive that modified English version back for inclusion on his website.
So, here is the question:
- Are there people who would like to have English subtitles or sound?
- If so, is there anyone with experience with video-editing that could do it (e.g. JBrunner perhaps?), and that would be willing to spend a bit of time on this.
- Lastly, could anyone host the English language film than?
Marco
Hi all,
I've managed to create a full translation of the Kodak film. Took quite a bit of work, especially since I recorded the timing as well, but it will hopefully be of some help. It's included as an attachment, both in Excel 2003 and plain text format.
Maybe one of the English members of APUG could scrutinize the text a bit and make sure the English technical terms and language is OK. I've done my best, but it's not my mother tongue. If you modify it, send me a PM with the files attached, or post them here in the thread.
In addition, I also contacted the owner of the website where the film is hosted, Frank Bruinsma, who runs a lab for processing 8 millimetre film in all of it's incarnations. He told me the Dutch synchronized version of this film came from a heritage and was on 16 mm film with an optical soundtrack.
He also told me he was willing to share the digitized version with us, if one of the APUG members would like to add subtitles or English language narration. He can deliver it in professional DVCAM, or more common AVI (3GByte) format. His only request was to receive that modified English version back for inclusion on his website.
So, here is the question:
- Are there people who would like to have English subtitles or sound?
- If so, is there anyone with experience with video-editing that could do it (e.g. JBrunner perhaps?), and that would be willing to spend a bit of time on this.
- Lastly, could anyone host the English language film than?
Marco
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I'd love to watch it with an English soundtrack, or with subtitles. It's a great piece of historic footage. I can't help with any of the technical stuff however.
Thank you, I was just about to post about it... I might be able to do the editing... I will have to see. The current Dutch gives it an interesting flavor, but subtitles would help some non-native English speakers.
Ray
Marco,
I am going to review the text right now.
If someone wants to work on it as well just PM me (we could split up the lines so we don't duplicate the same material) ... otherwise, I will just do it now, and come up for air or clarification if necessary, later.
Ray
Marco, thanks very much for the translation of the narration.
I would be more than happy to host the English version on The Light Farm. I hope it ends up being hosted in at least a couple of different places. It's invaluable on a number of levels. Besides being fascinating and fun to watch, it apparently can't be taken as historically accurate. I would want to include any and all information on what can be taken at face value and how much was industrial obfuscation. The historical facts need to be captured while we still have witnesses to the events among us. It's sad to think how much has already been lost.
I'll insert a plug for PE's workshops here. I can teach you how to make an emulsion, but the history (and gossip
) of Kodak that Ron casually embeds in his lectures on emulsion chemistry is a treat not to be missed.d
www.thelightfarm.com
Thanks Denise. Of course in reply I would have to comment on what a wonderful photographer you are. I urge you all to visit her web site and look at her beautiful photos.
And she makes a pretty good emulsion herself. Good work Denise.
PE
And she makes a pretty good emulsion herself. Good work Denise.
PE
Thanks for the offer Denise. Ray Rogers, as he posted before in the thread, is going to do the English language correction (which is necessary... AgX already pointed out errors). As soon as I receive his corrections, I will update the narration files here. Now we only still need someone to do the video-editing (at least if Frank is still willing to keep his offer, I only spoke him once last week, but will contact him next week). Anyone that could do the video-editing? :confused:
Denise, before you take this film as not completely historically accurate (and of course PE is generally a prime source on these subjects, but even his memory might fail at times), you should also take into account other remarks, like the one from John Shriver, that looks quite significant to me too in this respect:
His remark fits the 1958 copyright mark, which is later than PE dated it.
Marco
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John's point is well taken. I would suspect that Kodak used an obsolte machine for the photography rather than disrupt an actual production line for filming. It might have been a shot of a machine just before disassembly for scrap as far as we can tell, or it might have been in use to meet production quotas when sales were high.
That type of trough coater is not known for uniformity unless used with a doctor blade to remove excess, and I did not see one in use in the film. The support just rose out of the trough with emulsion on it.
I have to agree that it is Verichrome pan, but I also believe that someone else has suggested a tag date on the coating ticket. It could be that this was preproduction testing which could have been a year or two in advance of actual production.
Who knows at this late date?
PE
That type of trough coater is not known for uniformity unless used with a doctor blade to remove excess, and I did not see one in use in the film. The support just rose out of the trough with emulsion on it.
I have to agree that it is Verichrome pan, but I also believe that someone else has suggested a tag date on the coating ticket. It could be that this was preproduction testing which could have been a year or two in advance of actual production.
Who knows at this late date?
PE
I should point out that my current opinion on the coating ticket date is 6/3/57
I have images of presumably this same area (confirmed at least for certain sections anyway) from ca 1967; there are changes, but not drastic ones; Combined with even earlier images, they depict changes in the KBr and AgNO3 kettles, the addition pipes, the devices in/on the walls etc.; pictures from the 80's show a much more busy environment.
Ray
I would like to give it a try, as long as I have the option to pull out if I get in over my head
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