Ferrania P30 Results?

[Ivo Stunga]

To me, P30 is more like Adox HR-50 (modified Aviphot 80). Both are contrasty and with very fine grain. P30 is blue-biased and HR-50 is red-biased.

I don't know about this. Took a picture of roadsign with a blue background. Rendered blue darker.
And look at that stairwell pic I posted above: clear, sunny day and skies aren't blown to hell, so it makes blues darker.

Now where on this forum was that P30 shot with multiple colors and a girl in the middle? That's a fine insight what to expect from this film, interesting performance.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Ferrania P30 test shot by Ivo Stunga, on Flickr

Note the skies, Give Way (red outline) and Turn Right (blue background) roadsigns.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

@MattKing

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

As a side note, did anyone try the new Ferrania Orto?

Only the beta testers have... I've ordered some and waiting. I'm expecting a long wait...

 

[bluechromis]

I don't know about this. Took a picture of roadsign with a blue background. Rendered blue darker.
And look at that stairwell pic I posted above: clear, sunny day and skies aren't blown to hell, so it makes blues darker.

Now where on this forum was that P30 shot with multiple colors and a girl in the middle? That's a fine insight what to expect from this film, interesting performance.

That interesting Ivo. The fact that Ferrania has not provided basic testing data on the film, such as how they established its speed and what is its spectral response, opens the door to all kinds of speculation about its characteristics. One reviewer said it was really like a 25 ISO ortho film. Some people say it does have a ISO of 80, some say it is way less. Some say it is blue-biased, others say it isn't. I am frustrated that Ferrania is allowing this confusion to persist.

 

[Renato Tonelli]

Ferrania tested the film with Kodak D-76. The importance of a water pre-bath (2-5min) was stressed.
One of their distributors discussed it in an interview (in Italian).

 

[bluechromis]

Ferrania tested the film with Kodak D-76. The importance of a water pre-bath (2-5min) was stressed.
One of their distributors discussed it in an interview (in Italian).

Have they published those tests and characteristic curve in a publicly accessible place?

 

[Ivo Stunga]

I agree, it's completely avoidable and it'd be for the best. I was interested in P30 on clear base in 135mm, expected it from the Alpha batch, but the last 3 rolls I got came on regular triacetate.
Am I glitching or is this an indication of ever changing formulation based on who knows what? I guess it being a kickstarter product some bullshit is to be expected.

At least in my experience and observations there are parameters that match with results others have been having out there, namely the response to reds and skies with details, suggesting to me lower response to blues too.

A rather fun film to shoot, but some transparency and data for the more experienced and curious folks wouldn't hurt the sales of it indeed.

My expamples are slides obtained via Ilford Reversal Processing, metering at 80, but should that matter? Next time around I could try to rate it at 30 to open un shadows and see what happens. But I don't know when that will be. Considering that I have bought several bulk rolls of clear-base films to play around with.

 

[shead]

I have been reading all manner of threads and watching all kinds of YouTube videos about this film. I bough two rolls on a whim and now feel like I need to take notes and be very careful to use this stuff. What I have seen as a general consensus is to shoot it at ISO 25 or so and use a quicker development time, even seen as short as 4 minutes. I plan to shoot at ISO 25 and do Rodinal stand development of 60 seconds with minimal agitation and see how it goes.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Ferrania P30 test shot by Ivo Stunga, on Flickr

 

[Donald Qualls]

talking to yourself

Talking to future self or past self gets an exemption. Not at all the same as talking to present self (Isn't it? No, it isn't).

 

[Renato Tonelli]

Have they published those tests and characteristic curve in a publicly accessible place?

I haven't looked; I have not used the film.

 

[MattKing]

Talking to future self or past self gets an exemption. Not at all the same as talking to present self (Isn't it? No, it isn't).

Only in a thread about Ferrania are you likely to find such fine temporal divisions

 

[Ivo Stunga]

I haven't looked; I have not used the film.

I did and nothing but Kickfarter level marketing BS was present.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Ferrania tested the film with Kodak D-76. The importance of a water pre-bath (2-5min) was stressed.
One of their distributors discussed it in an interview (in Italian).

That's contradictory at best. Have a look at this: https://assets.website-files.com/62...b54a8223370f9a83543_P30_Best_Practices_v3.pdf

 

[Renato Tonelli]

Very odd.
The interview with the distributor made it a point to start with a water pre-bath.
I have no immediate plans to try the film or experiment with it. I am happy with Tri-X.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

It's so... predictable, originating from the tar pit of Kickfarter where truth and objective statememts are rarely to be found.

It could all be easily avoided and people would love them more for that sweet openness, but I digress: truths and facts means shit these days, reason being what exactly...? Team Marketing running amok, drunk engineers doing unstable ("unique") production and releasing product with a wide range of characteristics???

 

[fs999]

Nobody forces you to buy Ferrania films...

 

[Ivo Stunga]

Nobody forces Ferrania to be this inconsistent/dumb, I just blatantly demand transparency.

It seems that you like not knowing what exactly you're buying and prefer to be left in the dark. More power to you, man, more power to you.
Meanwhile I'll salute the rest of the manufacturers who are competent enough to consistently provide technical data so we - film shooters - know what we are shooting, what out results will be, so we can trust them with our money, leaving guesswork out of it.

 

[warden]

Meanwhile I'll salute the rest of the manufacturers who are competent enough to consistently provide

It’s ok to enjoy Kodak, Ilford and Ferrania.

By the way, “Kickfarter”? I love that. I’m stealing that.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

It's OK to enjoy even Astrum/Tasma!

So steal away my dear, steal away!

 

[Donald Qualls]

It's OK to enjoy even Astrum/Tasma!

And let's not forget Shanghai GP3. And ORWO this and that.

 

[fs999]

Minolta CLE • TTArtisan M 21mm F1.5
Ferrania P30 @50 ISO in Caffenol CL stand 60min. @20°C
Scanned with Plustek OpticFilm 120 at 2400dpi with Silverfast AI Studio 9.1

Luxembourg

Caffenol CL
500 ml Filtered Water
8gr Anhydrous Washing Soda
5gr Vitamin C
0.5gr KBr
20gr Instant coffee ("Cora")
10 slow inversions then let stand for 60 minutes

 

[Alan Johnson]

IMO the video by Greg Davis [post 31] where he developed P-30 in D-76 and concluded it is orthochromatic and also should be exposed at a lower EI is useful comment.
I developed my first film in a homebrew that is speed increasing like FX-37, FX-39 or Microphen and would suggest using a speed increasing developer if P-30 is to be shot at EI 80.
My landscape does not have any red in it and in this case the orthochromatic nature of the P-30 does not show up: