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How about a "fan" of bullshitters?
Wouldn't want to be near an exploding bullshitter!
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Exactly the same here in ther UK. Seemed to start about 20 years ago, up until then there was still an appreciation of qualifications and genuine standards in most jobs and professions. IMHO, this has been totally diluted in favour of what looks and sounds good, or what's fashionable. Next month this changes to something else "new".
An accountant friend of mine tells me of certain clients who complain about their tax bill and "know someone in the pub who says he never pays any tax". My friend always asks them if the person in the pub brags as much when Inland Revenue catch up with him. (Or, alternatively, what makes them think that Inland Revenue inspectors don't enjoy a drink in their local pub in their spare time.
)Here in Italy it's always been like that (at least since when i started living in this planet). Many of us (not me) have the recipe for winning world cup in all sports. Just to make an example. I'm a rugby man. Started to play in 1980 and stopped in 2000. Since then i followed a number of basic lessons to teach the game to children (up to 12 yrs.). That's what i'm doing now (Teaching rugby to children). I may say i know the matter (rugby) to a certain degree. Most of the Italians are familiarizing with the odd-shaped ball in recent times. Many of them ignore at least 80'% of the rules and 99,99% of the rest (skills, training tecniques,tactic,etc...etc...). Most of the times when someone approaches me asking about the game, the six-nations,etc...he/she ends up with the perfect recipe to win the next 27 grand slams........
When it comes to photography it's even worse "Rolls are no longer available...Kodak has finshed its business....." ....... "Would you give me the pictures you've just taken ? (i own a contax s2) here is the USB key...."
It's a small world
When it comes to photography it's even worse "Rolls are no longer available...Kodak has finshed its business....." ....... "Would you give me the pictures you've just taken ? (i own a contax s2) here is the USB key...."
It's a small world
That fits the modus operandi of one Ms Emma Harrison along with the rest of the sycophants and malingerers working in that "industry".
Lemme light the fire and get the iron up to temperature. I got me a harpie in mind :w00t:
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I had to chuckle at two posters in a thread about BS'ing, arguing about a date, and both are off by at least a decade.
My father-in-law knows something about everything, or so he believes. I've taken my wife's elbow in the ribs on a number of occasions when I've called BS. I just move away from her and continue the barrage.
So I'm assuming you hated the movie Catch Me If You Can?
I think a good collective noun would be "a diarrhoea of bullshitters".
Mine too. He still haunts me even from the grave... and whenever I mention his name my wife elbow tends to end up in my ribs. There's no escaping it expect for silence!
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I had to chuckle at two posters in a thread about BS'ing, arguing about a date, and both are off by at least a decade.
My father-in-law knows something about everything, or so he believes. I've taken my wife's elbow in the ribs on a number of occasions when I've called BS. I just move away from her and continue the barrage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lloyd_Wright
He first began his work as a draftsman in 1885, without ever having completed a formal degree. He acquired his position with Sullivan in 1888. So in fact he had actual experience before working for Sullivan, and demonstrated his ability to draw in Sullivan's style in interviews with the firm. So no bullshit actually involved there. Obviously the credential they were looking for was the ability to produce work, not a degree or experience per-se.
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the funny thing is ... it is just as true 130 years ago as it is today
usually you can't get commissioned work without a portfolio of work
to show that you can do more than draw or photograph or whatever ...
and you can't get the commissioned work without having experience doing it ...
as a photographer seeking freelance employment, perspective employers don't really care about
personal work, although it does make for interesting conversations, they want to know who you worked for
did the work get finished on time and was done as expected, they want to see "tear sheets" ...
what FLW did was lie about his portfolio, he said he designed houses for people he never did
and the people who hired him didn't bother to contact his previous "clients" to see if he was FOS ...
he got the commission, and the rest was history.
as scott said, there is a lot of difference between doing renderings and line drawings and actually building something that exists ...
i always got a chuckle out of the emblem for " the school of mines " (architecture school before it was called architecture school)
it is a golden shovel ... and, it suited frank lloyd wright well
usually you can't get commissioned work without a portfolio of work
to show that you can do more than draw or photograph or whatever ...
and you can't get the commissioned work without having experience doing it ...
as a photographer seeking freelance employment, perspective employers don't really care about
personal work, although it does make for interesting conversations, they want to know who you worked for
did the work get finished on time and was done as expected, they want to see "tear sheets" ...
what FLW did was lie about his portfolio, he said he designed houses for people he never did
and the people who hired him didn't bother to contact his previous "clients" to see if he was FOS ...
he got the commission, and the rest was history.
as scott said, there is a lot of difference between doing renderings and line drawings and actually building something that exists ...
i always got a chuckle out of the emblem for " the school of mines " (architecture school before it was called architecture school)
it is a golden shovel ... and, it suited frank lloyd wright well
I thought that was the point of APUG.
Sadly, it is what is taught to the current generation.
"If you follow the rules, you are at a disadvantage."
"Sell yourself. Make people want to hire you."
"It's a marketing campaign and you are the product."
How do you explain to a young person about ethics, when the liars get the rewards? Half the problem is the BS. The other half, is those of us who reward the BS because we do no do proper checks and interviews.
"We have met the enemy, and he is us..." - Pogo Possum.
"If you follow the rules, you are at a disadvantage."
"Sell yourself. Make people want to hire you."
"It's a marketing campaign and you are the product."
How do you explain to a young person about ethics, when the liars get the rewards? Half the problem is the BS. The other half, is those of us who reward the BS because we do no do proper checks and interviews.
"We have met the enemy, and he is us..." - Pogo Possum.
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Well said. What really annoys me is when you ask a question to a someone working in a specific field and if they dont know the answer, so they make it up. If I am asked a question about something to do with photography and I dont know, I say I dont know, but I will try and find out. Why do some people feel belittled by not knowing everything about a specific subject?
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the funny thing is ... it is just as true 130 years ago as it is today
usually you can't get commissioned work without a portfolio of work
to show that you can do more than draw or photograph or whatever ...
and you can't get the commissioned work without having experience doing it ...
as a photographer seeking freelance employment, perspective employers don't really care about
personal work, although it does make for interesting conversations, they want to know who you worked for
did the work get finished on time and was done as expected, they want to see "tear sheets" ...
what FLW did was lie about his portfolio, he said he designed houses for people he never did
and the people who hired him didn't bother to contact his previous "clients" to see if he was FOS ...
he got the commission, and the rest was history.
as scott said, there is a lot of difference between doing renderings and line drawings and actually building something that exists ...
i always got a chuckle out of the emblem for " the school of mines " (architecture school before it was called architecture school)
it is a golden shovel ... and, it suited frank lloyd wright well
He was also lucky to be in the right place at the right time- there was an urgent need for architects and builders in Chicago at that time, when less than a decade before, there had been a great fire that wiped out huge swaths of downtown, thus a building boom was underway. Had there not been a boom requiring as many people as the firms could get their hands on, they might have bothered to check his references and we'd never have heard of Frank Lloyd Wright.
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I work for a consulting firm and was recently on a conference with a client and one of my colleagues. The client asked me a question and I said that I wasn't sure and that I'd find out for him. After we rang off the colleague said that I should never admit that I don't know something. I'm supposed to be the expert.
It has, however, been my experience (I'm 25 years older than this guy) that the customer will respect you far more in the end if you admit you don't know something than if you BS your way through an answer.
It has, however, been my experience (I'm 25 years older than this guy) that the customer will respect you far more in the end if you admit you don't know something than if you BS your way through an answer.
BS? Just take a healthy look at the Republican party and also the Tea Party. - David Lyga
Bad boy, David. I would think that such a comment would be beneath you in this forum. Take the high road and keep politics out of the conversation... please.
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Was that your thought process during this thread?
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
I will try to BrianShaw, but sometimes the paradigm of relevancy becomes subordinate to relevancy, itself. - David Lyga
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No, before.
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