Evaluation of the possible production of a new panoramic 120 Camera

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    MF can take a mamiya 7 lens?
     
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    You don't a lens covering any MF image diagonal, but only the image height.

    But nevertheless the optical construction must be apt for the camera.
     
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    Adox meanwhile stated that the camera would accept 3 different focal lenghts.

    (One could not deduce that from photo of the camera at the start of this thread. Well, maybe by the protruding base...).
     
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    While the price point is far out from anything I would spend on a panorama camera as yet - the idea, I think is really interesting. 3000 Eu is similar to say what a D800 would run to, right? And this is far more specialised, can shoot more formats - so there might be a market for it. Not as broad, but definitely available as Niche - plus the Nikon mount is again a great idea.

    I dont know what Adox is hinting to in saying they're using 2014's technologies, I'd say why not include possiblities of using a polaroid/fujiroid as well with it?


    There is a reason even Canon went with Nikon mount for its video cameras..
     
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    Simply as the film path of such cameras is not beneficial to those instant films. A complete different film transport is most likely needed.
    And still this would end up only with rather square formats (by panorama standards).
     
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    Will Rollei Pan work in this new camera?
     
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    because you have never really and deeply invested time in rotating cameras, right? The same with 3d-film and 3d-photography. Nobody needs it right? only with a rotating cam this shot would be possible:
    www.auschwitzpanorama.tk btw: roundshot 65/70/220- agfa 70mm 1/60 4 secs around. 1/60 to stop down lens.

    in my opinion that new camera needs focus and shift. but the latter is not possible with 35mm lenses and 120 film. why not borrow the roundshot-technique? ask seitz about that. moving slit outwards in a curve to enlarge distance to lens to focus closer. why? because stopping down to get mor DOF means slower exposure times, slow rotating= blurred perpons. shiftlens on the new camera would give high-quality. arsat made 35mm pc-lens for nikon. i would make the camera adjustable for other lenses.
     
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    their quality will be very bad compared to the adox/mx. btw: the design comes from gilda lelostec who "made" also the panomachine. it was he who made the first 50/120/360 cams. see the image of the cam.
     
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    certain scanners need new holders, like the epson 750 which stupidly had filmwindows lenghtwise other than 4990 where very long stripes could be feeded sideways. if the scanner cannot take up long film there is only one solution: shooting everything three times. first shot: uncut. second and third shot cut in the way to be able to feed the scanner and stitch.
    I know two persons who offered scannerholders, third one if filmscanusa.(ebay). jsut asked to special panorama-holder. they would hardly begin from scratch to meet our requirement of endless film. one must also know: if you want to decide afterwards at which position of the print a certain subjects should be then one must shoot 2x 360° and a bit more. not easy when stitching is needed because of the limited scanner. the same must be shot 3x. how can theis be done with 120/220 film. Why could adox not offer 120-bulkfilm plus paper so we could produce our own 220? 120 film with the paper is not an easy task in rotating-cams. I can do it in roundshot but i must take care and cannot shoot/rotate quickly.
     
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    the cam must take up 70mm cartridges filled with 120 film-no 70mm or maybe yes. option for both with different spool. 70mm spools with 120-stoppers added. xkaes can deliver cutters. it is easy to virtual cut the film at the right position during shooting and cut it there in the darkroom. adox pls listen. it is easy to find the beginning and cut the right lenght/220 to develop eighter normal or 70mm film. ok 70mm film is no good options since their is only expensive ilford around. If 70mm cartridges then 70mm film option is up to us. it is easily doable. see here how to load in paterson tank. the same is possible with jobo 2500. i would not use 1500 system due to narrower reels.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9REyP3gLjo&feature=youtu.be
    adox should listen to me not like noble dresden when they began noble p3 multiformat incl. stereo. it was the time i was digging through 3dstereo-technologies. they stopped the project because they did not see a possbility to show 3d-images... how stupid they did not contact me. the main reason was nobles son speculated millions in real-estate-fathers money!
     
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    dont mention this name again. Da kommt mir die galle hoch. they sold me widelux 1500, they didnt want to send me testimages because they knew it was a bad construction. panon made huge mistakes we had to rebuild it, newer constrution rebuilt after our drawings i was told. That was the reason electropan/noblex(inventor kornelius schorle) was born and widepan(widelux-copy). later also eyescan 624/schorlex by a new company. thats why i opened a rotating panoramic cameras-forum at delphi forums. also due to the endless horizon/horizont-problems. informations are also stored in panorama-yahoo-techgroup.
     
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    as the one seitz/roundshot really delivered. one would need also an automatic developping machine.
    Noblex-printed was based upon an existing printer. Kaiser. seitz first panoramic printers had the paper on a curved surface. maybe the film -head was the only part which rotated then. new printer for up to 126mm film and 50cm height had both moving film and paper. very time-consuming procedures.
     
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    Contax/yashica-mount-120/220 option. pls offer adox-bulkfilm plus paper so we can add.
    24mm/360°= 15cm 28/350 =17.5cm 35/360=22cm so please leave the 220 option.
    or 70mm-spool/cartridge-option like in roundshot 70/220/120. one could then add. up to 6.5m(like it worked with vericolor HC 100 film or even longer if very thin).
    Maybe it should be small and simple. wiht 63mm shift-lens image-circle large VFOV could be possible. pls leave the slit high enough. very interesting could be 35mm-unperforated-option(if adox will deliver such film) to cover full 35mm like in spinner 360/spinhot. one could then use shiftlens. one shot upwards, one downwards.
    35mm instead of 24mm imageheight with 24mm is resulting in impressive 16mm lens.add shift and be surprised.If film is thin longer than standard 35mm-filmlenght can be used.

    Seitz once offered a 24, 28, 35mm m-leica-roundshot.
     
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    wrong, roundshot 65/70/220 could shoot in 90 degr. steps others are more precise. its is a completely different shooting world. other things must be taken into consideration. when quick-shooting is done one must calculate also stopping way öarge images will or must be covered. so lets add at least 220 option. is roundshot 28/220 outdoors really that sharp with 28mm only lens? my rs 65/70/220 with grandagon and 26mm shift upwards only(due to construction limits) produces very sharp but not ultrasharp images like in linhof 70. rs 220vr is not that expensive used but much larger. without tripod i can hardly see the new cam can work. are the lelostec cams working without tripod like the 220 or 220 outdoors? thomas b.kunz(knuzen)of berlin-the one which had a panorama-site-has a 50mm cam.
     
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    superwideangle is not rotapanorama, with altostorms panorama-corrector-plugin or inside panoramafactory-stitcher one could adjust up to 160° with no distortions at the edges compared to superwideangles/fisheyes.
    before judging rotopanoramic photography one must have used these cameras.
     
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    with roundshot 220vr one could measure light with camerarotation and correct exposure. the same was true with the roundshot enlarger.
     
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    lomo really?look at the limited spinner 360. i have read about problems with the slomo rotation motor.it should have been an "improved" spinshot (invented by dead rick corrales. lets end the poor chapter of no-properly-working rotapancameras. seitz roundshot not in this group. or the limited horizon compact where only panoramist know that speed-limits and aperture limits are disastrous for shooting.
     
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    forget adapters. it must be very precise. schneider 28mm pc-lens had adapters but very stable ones built by schneider. they said not use additonal one. wobbling aorund would kill the quality.