What happens in the Chat room should stay in the Chat room..
wtf is the Chat room btw?
wtf is the Chat room btw?
wtf is the Chat room btw?
Just to be clear, the OP is not the person who called "porn". The porn accusation was in the gallery.
I don't recall the specifics of the chat - I don't have a transcript so I won't argue the accuracy or inaccuracy of other people's recall of a conversation over four years ago. But I did NOT advocate someone else post what he thought would be a controversial image for the sake of stirring controversy. In fact, I was talking with said individual because he approached me and said he wanted fame through controversy, and did I think it would be a good way. I told him to post the image if he wanted to post the image, wanted feedback, and was prepared for whatever reaction it generated.
I've never said I was unaware of the potential for controversy of my image. I knew it would probably tweak a few folks - the same folks who had been previously posting hateful comments on other male nudes that I had posted and should have never been controversial. But why do you consider my response of posting that image to be either meritous of the outrage, or disproportionate as a response to the contemporaneous conversation about nudes and censorship? In case you didn't notice, I sat there and took my lumps when the image caused controversy, and I took them with grace. You could say the image itself was disrespectful (I'd disagree with that), but you can't say I handled any of the responses with anything other than respect.
I can't remember whether or not I was there. I probably have logs on the other computer, but it's heavy and I'm NOT lugging it up from the basement. I do remember the image, though, and I'm glad you left it up.
I think that shaming, whether body shaming or sexuality shaming, is horrendous. I think that sometimes women are objectified in photographs, but that Sanders and Emil are not the ones doing it. I think that a portrait of an erect penis is not pornographic because it's just a penis, but there are some poses that photographers put women in that could definitely be considered as such. I think that the image was a *perfect* response to the conversation, and proved admirably that there is an obvious bias against male sexuality in photography that simply isn't there when it comes to female sexuality. I also think that it is vitally important to keep encouraging people who make a statement with their photography to continue doing the work. Controversy tends to breed discussion, and discussion can, at times, bring changes in thinking.
Thank you Stephanie for your support. And for the record, it was NOT erect. Just uncircumcised and substantial.
Not to get off on a tangent...
I can't remember whether or not I was there. I probably have logs on the other computer, but it's heavy and I'm NOT lugging it up from the basement. I do remember the image, though, and I'm glad you left it up.
I think that shaming, whether body shaming or sexuality shaming, is horrendous. I think that sometimes women are objectified in photographs, but that Sanders and Emil are not the ones doing it. I think that a portrait of an erect penis is not pornographic because it's just a penis, but there are some poses that photographers put women in that could definitely be considered as such. I think that the image was a *perfect* response to the conversation, and proved admirably that there is an obvious bias against male sexuality in photography that simply isn't there when it comes to female sexuality. I also think that it is vitally important to keep encouraging people who make a statement with their photography to continue doing the work. Controversy tends to breed discussion, and discussion can, at times, bring changes in thinking.
Why don't we all just start posting nudes in this forum
~Stone
Self portraits, eh?Last time I posted a nude in the Gallery I had quite a few of favourable comments but also PM's about the image. Some of those PM's said it's a nice image but would be better if the model had kept some clothes on
Ian
Last time I posted a nude in the Gallery I had quite a few of favourable comments but also PM's about the image. Some of those PM's said it's a nice image but would be better if the model had kept some clothes on, they were referring to some other images I'd posted as well.
Ian
Self portraits, eh?
That was my point, to just stir the pot, honestly all this talk about the idea of what would be art and what would be porn with no given examples as references I find kind of obscure...
This was the image I referred to:
Whether someone thinks an image like this is art, erotic or what ever is down to their own preceptions.
Ian
John, your recollection of this issue is accurate. I was in the chat room that very evening.
I may actually have a transcript, but I'm not lugging that computer upstairs.
This was the image I referred to:
(snip)
Whether someone thinks an image like this is art, erotic or what ever is down to their own preceptions.
"If ya don't have nuttin' nice to say, don't say nuttin' at all..."
Why is that so difficult for some people to understand or execute?
Why is that so difficult for some people to understand or execute?
I think it's because many of us stopped distinguishing between the right thing to say and the right to say things.
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