Ektachrome is back......

[Nodda Duma]

So.... will Fuji lower their prices of Velvia and Provia to compete or will they simply exit the E6 market?

 

[trendland]

So.... will Fuji lower their prices of Velvia and Provia to compete or will they simply exit the E6 market?

Well Nodda Duma - you may be right in boths ways ! But I am not so very sure about. In the first line they may lower their prices if they will feel Kodak as an indeed lower priced competitor.

But that would stand against Fujis arrgance in regard of pricing we've seen in the past.

The scedule of Fuji (to left the film production of e6 ) was menioned before.

In the longer term we will not seen e6 films from both companies.

So we are just regarding the next 3 - 4 years (max. 5 - 6) but we are able to freeze films.
(hope this term is in the mind of the last e6 photograpers)

with regards

with regards

 

[trendland]

Maybe in Australia but pretty much everywhere else that £9.99 (or local equivalent) is cheaper than Fuji slide film.

Firstcall are offering Ektachrome at £9.99 for 135-36
Provia F at £11.66
Velvia 50 at £13.16
Velvia 100 at £13.74

All prices inclusive of VAT.

Going by Firstcall's prices, Ektachrome is going to have a price advantage. This is taken from their latest print catalogue which I received last week. They're expecting Ektachrome to be available in December.

I remember a simular post from last year (price list of Ektachrome with expected pricing).
And there have been other offerings from some dealers in the net.
In most cases it has been old listings of Ekachromes (Ektachrome before 2012).

But your source seems to be current.

But don't forget the word "expected". It is more a calculation of this special dealer concerning his own
price list of last Ektachrome out of 2010 - 2012 he remembered.

Isn't it ?

with regards

 

[trendland]

Kodak has just released a "Kodak" branded line of clothing. That was the news last night along with the fact that Kodak stock may be delisted on the stock exchange.

PE

But pls. have in mind that Apple was in the nearly same situation short before 2001 then Steve Jobs came back.
And (just from my point) it isn't much unimportant to wear the right stuff when shooting Ektachrome.
See :

......I will not mention anything about the Logo extention on the right. ( to avoid moderators came back on action again )

But let me indeed alowe it to state the name of this creation:

" Girl Scatebord Co ".........

No wonder about stock exchange will react....

with greetings

 

[Lee Rust]

Yes, this is really a thing ... https://www.kodak.com/us/en/consumer/products/girl-skate-kodak/default.htm

 

[AgX]

I admit, this is something I even never heard of, but I'm fairly ignorant about most of the surfer scene.

 

[film_man]

£10/roll is Portra 400 money. Not bad.

 

[Cholentpot]

Be nice if the $10 a roll included processing in Rochester NY. I'd be on that in a second.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

So.... will Fuji lower their prices of Velvia and Provia to compete or will they simply exit the E6 market?

No. If anything, Fuji's films will increase in price, as early as Q1 2019. And there will always be a lot of photographers who will continue to use their products irrespective of the price. If Kodak is aiming for the home/amateur market, good for them. But professionals are not shooting 35mm anywhere near what they once were (20+ years ago) so there is close to zero appeal to them of the Ektachrome 100. Those that did beta-test Ektachrome 100 in 35mm have now finished and returned to ... medium format!

 

[Nodda Duma]

To be honest, I wasn’t thinking at all about 35mm when I made that comment.

 

[trendland]

No. If anything, Fuji's films will increase in price, as early as Q1 2019. And there will always be a lot of photographers who will continue to use their products irrespective of the price. If Kodak is aiming for the home/amateur market, good for them. But professionals are not shooting 35mm anywhere near what they once were (20+ years ago) so there is close to zero appeal to them of the Ektachrome 100. Those that did beta-test Ektachrome 100 in 35mm have now finished and returned to ... medium format!

Last month I personally shot Ektachrome 120 films in Denmark (beach wear). The majority was shot on Astia 100F 120films (all in 6x6 Format). The Astias (from Fujis last batch) were freezed from the day after I got it.
The Ektachromes were superb in regard of its special color look in extrem sunlight No need to "boost"
colors via polorizing filters.
And of course I did no color corection with software.
If I would had this intention (sorftware based color manipulation) I also would have had the alternate with c41 Films - or one would have said : " shot this all digital - pls."

But the most exiting experiment I was able to find out in Denmark was a 20pro pack of old Ektachrome (out of 2002). If I remember correct it have been E100s.

No need to mention that some technical parameters (freezed since 2009) were not ok.
The lab sent me a note : Films are damaged due to moisture while storage/after exposure.

They failed a bit - the look was from exired condition - but colors were nice to me.....

So Ektachrome in 120 is indeed : " THE REAL THINK "


with regards

 

[warden]

Yes, this is really a thing ... https://www.kodak.com/us/en/consumer/products/girl-skate-kodak/default.htm

The designs of the lifestyle products on that page are of a uniformly high quality. Branded gear is not my thing, but if it was I'd get this. They're good.

 

[GLS]

I myself have zero interest in 35mm, so I hope this new film does well enough for them to start supplying it in 120.

 

[zowno]

I myself have zero interest in 35mm, so I hope this new film does well enough for them to start supplying it in 120.

It honestly surprises me there's enough interest in super 8 to bring back ektachrome for the format, but there's somehow not enough interest in 120 to bring it back for medium format?

 

[Lachlan Young]

It honestly surprises me there's enough interest in super 8 to bring back ektachrome for the format, but there's somehow not enough interest in 120 to bring it back for medium format?

S8/ 16mm (S16)/ 35mm all use the same base thickness, 120 doesn't & has several other differences too. Kodak explained this in various social media posts, some of which are linked/ quoted/ paraphrased in other threads.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

It honestly surprises me there's enough interest in super 8 to bring back ektachrome for the format, but there's somehow not enough interest in 120 to bring it back for medium format?

Not so fast. They haven't even finalised 35mm yet...
Let's just say that Kodak wanted to 'test the waters', generate a bit of hoop-la, with a re-hashed version of Ektachrome, once-upon-a time, a long, long time ago, one of the Special K's biggest sellers, along with Kodachrome. Unfortunatley, it went about it in a rather clumsy way, releasing it to legions of salivating beta testers, many of which had no idea how to expose E6 (and their silly Instacrap posts reveal this all too clearly), to say nothing on blithely skipping over the meaty bits: a detailed report of the film's technical characteristics. Where's that? None. Zero. Zilch. Just two testers (one amateur, one professional, both very, very experienced) put in any serious effort to run the film at various EIs, test reciprocity, push/pull processing and printing — a bit of this still going on locally (Melbourne), and testing will continue at least until the end of October. My assessment of lightbox shots I have hovered over in Melbourne is that the film is colder than Provia 100F, but has better enumeration of shadows. In some peculiar ways in mixed illumination, it has a passing resemblance to Ektar 100!

 

[BrianShaw]

PduJ: Like

 

[GLS]

Unfortunatley, it went about it in a rather clumsy way, releasing it to legions of salivating beta testers, many of which had no idea how to expose E6 (and their silly Instacrap posts reveal this all too clearly), to say nothing on blithely skipping over the meaty bits: a detailed report of the film's technical characteristics. Where's that? None. Zero. Zilch.

Call me cynical, but I have to wonder if the reason for this isn't that the main target audience for this new film is hipsters and lomographers, for whom - by and large - the priority certainly isn't technical rigour and understanding.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

Call me cynical, but I have to wonder if the reason for this isn't that the main target audience for this new film is hipsters and lomographers, for whom - by and large - the priority certainly isn't technical rigour and understanding.

Mmm-hmm. Some truth there. I'll keep an eye out for the Ekta-hundred next time I'm hanging out in Hipsterville...

 

[Lachlan Young]

Not so fast. They haven't even finalised 35mm yet...
Let's just say that Kodak wanted to 'test the waters', generate a bit of hoop-la, with a re-hashed version of Ektachrome, once-upon-a time, a long, long time ago, one of the Special K's biggest sellers, along with Kodachrome. Unfortunatley, it went about it in a rather clumsy way, releasing it to legions of salivating beta testers, many of which had no idea how to expose E6 (and their silly Instacrap posts reveal this all too clearly), to say nothing on blithely skipping over the meaty bits: a detailed report of the film's technical characteristics. Where's that? None. Zero. Zilch. Just two testers (one amateur, one professional, both very, very experienced) put in any serious effort to run the film at various EIs, test reciprocity, push/pull processing and printing — a bit of this still going on locally (Melbourne), and testing will continue at least until the end of October. My assessment of lightbox shots I have hovered over in Melbourne is that the film is colder than Provia 100F, but has better enumeration of shadows. In some peculiar ways in mixed illumination, it has a passing resemblance to Ektar 100!

Honestly, I think a great deal of the 'technical' deficiencies you are going on about have more to do with the shortcomings of Frontier/ Noritsu/ amateur (yes, including Nikon) desktop scanners when dealing with transparency films & which have been used to put the results online. I've seen the cartoonish mess a Frontier will make of the previous Ektachromes compared to what I can extract with a better scan. More to the point, how well calibrated was that lightbox & was the process colour balance within an acceptable number of cc's of where it should have been? Anyway, what you describe colour-wise is pretty much characteristic Ektachrome, just not the saturated or warmed variants.

 

[Lachlan Young]

And according to Kodak's Instagram, general availability of the 35mm is 'now', S8 from October 1st, 16mm to follow.

 

[Carriage]

I just got an email from michaels (one of the big camera stores in Melbourne) advertising pre orders for 25aud. I think provia is usually available for around 20 though perhaps not at Michaels. Walkens have it listed for 19aud so though so it seems similarly priced.

 

[removed account4]

ektachrome was just released today
https://emulsive.org

 

[BrianShaw]

Bravo.

I wonder how long before it shows up at Freestyle. It’s not in their catalog. Might just drop in and ask when I can find some freetime.

 

[EdSawyer]

It will be interesting to see how long it lasts. Ektachrome died out since Velvia/Provia was generally superior (and cheaper) back in the day. I doubt that has changed much since then, and the market is much smaller. I just don't see the unique selling proposition of Ektachrome other than nostalgia. It would be nice if they could keep it going and begin a renaissance of film, since maybe that would lead to more and better emulsions being resurrected (plus-x, pan-x, TP, HIE, EIR, etc... we can dream)