EIR hints?

accozzaglia · Aug 5, 2008

Good luck with the shooting, Tom! If you have any keepers, it'd be great to see how they turned out.

Robert Hall · Aug 5, 2008

accozzaglia said:
To a lower or higher ISO setting? For instance, if shooting ISO200 for E-6/AR-5, what would be good for C-41 cross-processing?

You know, I just don't remember. Go look on Kodaks site for the Aerochrome III and see what they might have to say.

PM me if you can't find it and I will have a look in my notes and repost it here.

tjaded · Aug 5, 2008

How about EIR with an infrared filter like R72, what kind of results would that produce?

Robert Hall · Aug 5, 2008

Ugly.

Just stick with yellow 12 or 14.

YMMV and this is only M(not so)HO from shooting several hundred rolls.

Toffle · Aug 5, 2008

Well, I shot about 2/3 of my roll of EIR today, metered at 200, without much bracketing. (I have the "Tom Overton" system of exposure compensation... much too long and dumb to go into here, but it works with most films I use.) Wit any luck, I'll finish the roll off tomorrow and perhaps even get it processed while I'm in town. (yes, I'm an optimist) I took most of my shots on an architectural boat tour of Chicago, which meant I didn't have a whole lot of time to fiddle with focus issues. I'm sure I have it all wrong... but I have to admit it was kind of exciting to be shooting this film.

I'll let you know how it turns out.

Cheers,

Toffle · Aug 6, 2008

Finished my roll of EiR this morning... dropped it off at Gamma on West Superior at around 10 A. and picked the unmounted slides up before 5. From what I can see without a loupe, the old age of the film did not seem to affect it at all. There is definitely "something" on the film. I might even say that a couple of shots are "something out of the ordinary." I'll hopefully have the slides scanned and printed by the weekend... I'll share anything that is at all good here when I'm done. (sorry to say that for the most part it is touristy kind of stuff) Credit to my friend Pat Casey from the U.K. for his kind gift.

Cheers,

Stephen Frizza · Aug 7, 2008

colrehogan said:
I think that the descriptions for these shots may have been reversed. Typically, my experience with this film and a yellow filter has been to see an image similar to the bottom one shown here.

I have typically used ISO 200 for this film as well.

I find the same thing as you mention diane

Stephen Frizza · Aug 7, 2008

tjaded said:
How about EIR with an infrared filter like R72, what kind of results would that produce?

Red very Red with a hint of yellow is some points. It does not look good at all.
Most of my clients have used yellow, orange or light red filters.

tim_walls · Aug 7, 2008

Stephen Frizza said:
I find the same thing as you mention diane

I'm going to admit defeat and assume my memory is wrong here - it's so long since I shot it it's quite likely.

This is good information anyway - I still have two rolls in the freezer which I need to shoot, and I much prefer the effect which we've now determined is a red rather than yellow filter!

Stephen Frizza · Aug 7, 2008

Hi Tim thanks for uploading your images from EIR they are awesome.

Stephen Frizza · Aug 7, 2008

iF anyone is interested this is what EIR looks like unfiltered at night

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

AutumnJazz · Aug 7, 2008

Nice thread. I can't wait until I start messing with EIR, aswell.

accozzaglia · Aug 8, 2008

Hi Stephen --

I am totally interested to see an example -- any example -- of what EIR looks like when shot at night. Alas, until I can afford to upgrade to a subscriber membership, this will have to wait. By chance, is there another location you could provide an example? Cheers.

Stephen Frizza · Aug 8, 2008

here is the same image uploaded to flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29279649@N02/2735091753/sizes/o/

~steve

accozzaglia · Aug 8, 2008

Oh wow. Thanks, Stephen. That's very telling. A couple of thoughts: in what season was this shot made? the other is more an open thought relating to foliage under moonlight: I'm wondering how much IR light would reflect from moonlight on foliage. This is kind of the crux behind why I want to reserve a roll for all-night shots. Again, cheers. It's an unreal blue.

timbo10ca · Aug 8, 2008

This thread prompted me to post a couple of my favorite EIR shots. Rated @200, the first is with yellow filtration, the second with orange. I've tried no filtration, and am not happy with it- way too much magenta/red. I've also tried green, but it didn't work out- it was waaaaaay dark- not sure if it was underexposed (I thought I applied the correct FF), or if the subject matter was not a good choice for green....

Tim

timbo10ca · Aug 8, 2008

Here we are rated at 200, with no filtration

Tim

Toffle · Aug 9, 2008

Ok... Scanned and printed. I think I like this film a lot, though if I had it to do over, I would choose more colourful subjects and not so much brick and stone. Also, I suppose I wouldn't be such a tourist with this film... it deserves better. These shots were all rated at ISO200, with a Hoya G filter.

(could somebody please tell me how to show pictures from my albums as a thumbnail? :rolleyes: )

This shot really has nothing in the way of IR effect but it does have some wonderful reflections in the tower windows.

Thanks to all who gave hints and encouragement. I think I would sell a kidney for another roll of EIR.

Cheers,

AutumnJazz · Aug 9, 2008

Someone is cutting down Aerial Ektachrome IR, you know.

Marco B · Aug 9, 2008

accozzaglia said:
I'd be willing to try a cross-processing on one roll, though not exactly decided on what subject matter could benefit from these shifts. I haven't found any references online of people who've shot and posted cross-processed EIR, which would be helpful as a reference point. Otherwise, it feels a little like shooting in the dark and not knowing at all what to qualitatively expect.

If you search in Google using the "Images" option instead of the normal search, you can find a couple of cross-processed EIR images.

I used "Ektachrome IR crossprocessed" as keywords and got for example this result:

http://flickr.com/photos/infracolor/2497058337/

Interesting to see how the models skin and hair tones appear to be almost normal, while the plants colours go completely mad...

By the way, not all Google search results using these keywords are from EIR. For example, the example here:

http://flickr.com/photos/49191827@N00/2569736419

is from a cross processed Ektachrome E100VS, and according to the text, used a B+W #486 UV IR cut filter that blocks both UV and IR. Actually, I wonder if the final result of this image is actually in any way influenced by this filter, of course it can only be very marginal, but I had never heard before of combined UV and IR blocking filters. :confused:

Photo Engineer · Aug 9, 2008

The Ektachrome IR crossprocessed does not look as if that is a correct image. It may be straight Ektachrome cross processed as the facial tones are not "distorted" enough.

PE

Marco B · Aug 9, 2008

Might this be the look you're suggesting?:

http://flickr.com/photos/solarfever/2363788287/

Well, it seems an image of a cross processed Ektachrome IR is about impossible to find on the net... just a few results even with Google, many of which turn out to be not EIR, but other types of Ektachrome cross processed.

Oh, and another person doing interesting things with EIR (no cross processing):

Dead Link Removed

He also seems to be selling cut down (Aerial) EIR as 120 rolls... anyone tried it?

Photo Engineer · Aug 9, 2008

Well, the skin tones look about right in the "solarfever" example, but the leaves have a funny look to them. And, even though cross processed, they should be red! The red should be more vivid though.

If left as a negative, cross processed EIR will have near normal flesh tones, but reversed tonality, and leaves will be green with inverted tonality.

PE

Robert Hall · Aug 10, 2008

Remember that EIR sees visible light just as HIE does. The resultant exposure color depends on what the light wavelength makeup is at the time. EIR has quite a blue cast normally, shoot a frame with no filter. Then try a yellow, you will see that it cuts some of the blue. Then try an orange, it cuts the blue further, etc, etc.

I would think that season, for this particular shot, has little to do with the exposure.

Moonlight has no component of IR (as far as the film in concerned.) This doesn't mean you cant use flash, which has a lot of ir, or an incandescent light bulb.

IR creates the magenta color in IR film. Go look on Kodak's web site to see how the colors are shifted. This should give you a better idea on what to expect. If you don't like magenta, don't photograph things that reflect IR.

Marco B · Aug 10, 2008

I somewhere read that EIR has a similar deep IR (up to 900nm) as the former Kodak HIE. What would happen if you put a (deep) red or opaque filter on a camera with EIR and subsequently cross-processed in BW negative developer (e.g. D76). What would the result look like?

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