Eastman Kodak: Strong increasing demand for movie film

[Kino]

We once restored a 1912 (ish) one reel 35mm nitrate Tom Mix Western that was found under 12 inches of chicken dung in Ohio...

 

[DREW WILEY]

Isn't where most entertainment belongs anyway?

 

[cmacd123]

Is super8 as well as its developmnent available?
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Ektachrome and Also B&W

 

[cmacd123]

Europe I can order a 400ft roll of Kodak 5222 Double-X
If such a source exists I would personally increase the demand by one can per year
Bill

Kodak has reps in most countries, for example in Germany you would contact these folks. http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

is the master website for Entertainment Imaging


Germany

Kodak GmbH
Hedelfinger Str 54-60
70327 Stuttgart
Germany
Mobile: +49 (0) 170 4567 390
Phone: +49 (0) 711-406-5430
EI-order@kodak.com
michael.boxrucker@kodak.com
http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

 

[cmacd123]

All were once. All in use now, will join them...

Just the Silicon Graphics extension .sgi files that were predominant in the early digital cinema transition are virtually unsupported in modern graphics software. Early variations of Cineon and DPX (such as the monochrome standard) are not much better.

another related problem is older files may not look great in a modern context. GIF for example was uused for years, but most GIF files have 256 colors. Not an issue when computer screens were similarly limited.

I heard a story about a popular SF TV program. shot on film, but scanned in Standard Definition and edited that way, with electronic special effects. to reissue it, they ended up going back to the edit decision lists and digging out the Negative rolls and cutting them to match the edits. Then redoing ALL the special effects at current definition. 35mm negative looks OK at even 8K, but if they only had the 480i version - only real fans would be willing to watch.

 

[BSP]

Kodak has reps in most countries, for example in Germany you would contact these folks. http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

is the master website for Entertainment Imaging


Germany

Kodak GmbH
Hedelfinger Str 54-60
70327 Stuttgart
Germany
Mobile: +49 (0) 170 4567 390
Phone: +49 (0) 711-406-5430
EI-order@kodak.com
michael.boxrucker@kodak.com
http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

Thanks Chris, I have sent the representative in the Netherlands an email.
Now lets see if they care to to cater for small time enthusiasts like me.

Re
Bill

 

[foc]

Regarding archival availability in the future, be it film or digital file, I am inclined to go with film.

If I have something on microfiche or film strip, then all I need to read or view it is a light source and a magnifying glass. IMO you can't get much simpler or universal than that.

 

[radiant]

35mm negative looks OK at even 8K, but if they only had the 480i version - only real fans would be willing to watch.

I found my old DV video material, digitized back then with a firewire-interface. When I was looking the video I thought why this video is so crappy, have I downsized the resolution on all of these - but then suddenly realize I was watching the original material.

I still have the tapes but no idea how to access the data today. First of all - the quality is so crappy that I wouldn't like to spend time on it and in second, probably cost enough money that it stops the interested totally.

 

[brbo]

Just a random blurb: anyone know where in Europe I can order a 400ft roll of Kodak 5222 Double-X? Shipping + duty from the US makes this VERY expensive.

If such a source exists I would personally increase the demand by one can per year

Bill

https://www.frame24.co.uk/ will gladly sell you a single 400' roll of Double-X. Not sure how much money you'll save (if at all) that way...

 

[StepheKoontz]

I found my old DV video material, digitized back then with a firewire-interface. When I was looking the video I thought why this video is so crappy, have I downsized the resolution on all of these - but then suddenly realize I was watching the original material.

I still have the tapes but no idea how to access the data today. First of all - the quality is so crappy that I wouldn't like to spend time on it and in second, probably cost enough money that it stops the interested totally.

Great example. And back to my example of Zip Drives, people are lazy. If a family member finds a box full of zip drive disks (even if the drive with it's original SCSI/Atapi interface is there), is anyone going to spend the $200 + the time to setup something that can read a zip drive disk to see what might be on them? Highly unlikely.

It's the same thing that is going to happen with all the children today whose lives are being recorded on a cell phone. By the time they are 30-40 years old, all those images will be nowhere to be found.

 

[btaylor]

Regarding film as a source material, one reason “I Love Lucy” lived on for generations in reruns was because it was shot on film, allowing the high resolution originals to be transferred to each new video standard. Watching original ‘50s video material is painful.
Last I heard three strip film B&W color separations are still the accepted archival motion picture standard. In some abandoned former salt mine.

 

[pentaxuser]

[QUOTE="StepheKoontz, post: 2244607, member: 88541"
It's the same thing that is going to happen with all the children today whose lives are being recorded on a cell phone. By the time they are 30-40 years old, all those images will be nowhere to be found.[/QUOTE]

The depressing thing is that in my case I have seen little or no evidence that this fact is yet appreciated by any of the people whom I know who are not analogue photographers. Any of the recent events, be it family or public events involving other families produces a sea of i-phone cameras only. The pictures remain in the "ether" only. Unlike the reports that seem to abound here from U.S. based users that they see film cameras on a regular basis or at least an ever increasing basis I can report no such thing from my experience in my part of the U.K.

pentaxuser

 

[Sal Santamaura]

We once restored a 1912 (ish) one reel 35mm nitrate Tom Mix Western that was found under 12 inches of chicken dung in Ohio...

Isn't [that] where most entertainment belongs anyway?

Along with most still photography, whether film or digital?

 

[BSP]

https://www.frame24.co.uk/ will gladly sell you a single 400' roll of Double-X. Not sure how much money you'll save (if at all) that way...

Thanks man! Thats not too bad, for me its about they same price as 4 x 100ft bulk rolls of HP5 or FP4.

Now to fiind out how to respool from a 400ft can onto 100ft spindles for in my bulk loader.

 

[brbo]

Now to fiind out how to respool from a 400ft can onto 100ft spindles for in my bulk loader.

I've always done it in my darkbag. Takes some time, but it's not like you do this every day...

 

[Agulliver]

Oh yeah I have a ton of images as 256 colour GIF files from my Atari ST....also those Degas format images from the ST. I can read the floppy discs as it more or less uses DOS format but can I display the files? The GIF files display kind of OK but the Degas and Neochrome stuff? I haven't tried to be honest but it won't be easy.

 

[runswithsizzers]

I believe that the VanCity theatre in Vancouver - where the Vancouver International Film Festival is based - maintains a 35mm projector because some international material and some older movies are available that way.
I would only expect to see film projectors in "Art" theatres, or in the very few theatres that are chosen for the few IMAX and 65mm films that have been distributed that way.
Henning's mention of the Halifax "short" festival made me wonder if there might be use in other festivals as well.
And of course, the international market.

I just sent an email inquiry to my local "art house" theater asking if projecting film is possible there.

The most recent movie I saw there ("Little Women" a week or so ago) was disappointing due to poor image quality. I know they are a small theater with limited resources, but it's hard to justify going out to see a movie when the image quality is better on my TV set at home (and my TV is neither big, nor expensive).

This reply from my local art house theater:

"We hung on to our two 35mm projectors out of nostalgia when we converted to digital projection but we have not shown a 35mm movie in more than five years. We are a two screen theater. We have identical projectors in both theaters but one theater has a Scope screen, the other is flat aspect ratio.

In town, the Alamo is the only theater remaining that can project from 35mm film that I am aware of at the moment.

Plenty of arthouses around the country still show 35mm movies but almost always from archival prints for repertory screenings not first-run releases."​

I believe there are a total of 4 theaters in my home town (mid. USA, population about 168,000), so if this is correct, only one of those 4 has the ability to prooject 35mm film.

 

[NB23]

Thanks man! Thats not too bad, for me its about they same price as 4 x 100ft bulk rolls of HP5 or FP4.

Now to fiind out how to respool from a 400ft can onto 100ft spindles for in my bulk loader.

The way i see it: wood 2x4 of about 3 foot length.

Two nails, left and right. On one nail the 400 roll, on the other an empty film plastic canister/container.

Piece of tape on the canister, stick the film on it, and roll. Make about 300 turns, which should bring you to 80-100 feet length.

In the dark.

 

[cmacd123]

Now to fiind out how to respool from a 400ft can onto 100ft spindles for in my bulk loader.

rewinds and a 35mm "split reel" is the easiest way if you have a darkroom. I often use a 100ft EYEMO (daylight spool) (#10Spool) to wind the film on to

 

[zischga]

I recently split 200ft in 2x 100ft, if anyone is interested in the process:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AnalogComm...out_to_split_a_200ft_roll_of_kodak_50d_in_2x/

 

[scheimfluger_77]

We once restored a 1912 (ish) one reel 35mm nitrate Tom Mix Western that was found under 12 inches of chicken dung in Ohio...

Wow, Sounds like a 2-stage explosive device.

 

[DREW WILEY]

Well, if gunpowder supply was low, Tom Mix could have substituted nitrate film for his gunfights. But chicken poop isn't innocuous either. Plenty of coops have burned down because the wiring got corroded. Strange place to watch a movie, but probably less germs than the average commercial theatre.

 

[Agulliver]

One can certainly tell the difference between a relatively recently refurbished cinema in my area with Sony 4K projectors, and one that hasn't been refurbished for over a decade and where the seats are uncomfortable and I assume the projectors are 2K. Digital projection has come a long way in the 15 or so years since the latter "upgraded". I remember when they first went digital and you could tell that often the commercials and trailers were digitally projected whereas the actual movie was on film...for a year or so it was pot luck whether you got film or digital. And it was painfully obvious. Now....while film certainly has a different look and I would argue it has the edge...the 4K and 8K cinema projection is better than anything I can do at home.

Kodak will be selling more film for acquisition of images.The movies will still surely be edited and presented digitally...and where presented on film will still have been edited digitally. At least for new films.

I am kicking myself for missing a season in London where 2001: A Space Odyssey was shown in glorious 70mm film at the end of last year.

 

[StepheKoontz]

The depressing thing is that in my case I have seen little or no evidence that this fact is yet appreciated by any of the people whom I know who are not analogue photographers. Any of the recent events, be it family or public events involving other families produces a sea of i-phone cameras only. The pictures remain in the "ether" only. Unlike the reports that seem to abound here from U.S. based users that they see film cameras on a regular basis or at least an ever increasing basis I can report no such thing from my experience in my part of the U.K.

pentaxuser

Anything other than a call phone is VERY rare and almost looked down on. Like only a person of very low status wouldn't have a cell phone. These shared photos of important family moments will be gone as soon as they get a new phone or change carriers. I doubt m,any people even back these up to another device.

 

[Kino]

The depressing thing is that in my case I have seen little or no evidence that this fact is yet appreciated by any of the people whom I know who are not analogue photographers. Any of the recent events, be it family or public events involving other families produces a sea of i-phone cameras only. The pictures remain in the "ether" only. Unlike the reports that seem to abound here from U.S. based users that they see film cameras on a regular basis or at least an ever increasing basis I can report no such thing from my experience in my part of the U.K.

pentaxuser: Anything other than a call phone is VERY rare and almost looked down on. Like only a person of very low status wouldn't have a cell phone. These shared photos of important family moments will be gone as soon as they get a new phone or change carriers.

You know, it seems to me that "photography" (at least cell phone photography in a general sense) is becoming a form of performance art and that actually saving the moment for recall and reflection is becoming less and less important.

There is the act of photographing the event, briefly noting it's capture and then posting it online as proof of a full and prosperous life. Once this is accomplished, the image has no further value and can be discarded with the phone upon which it was taken.

Maybe that's the major disconnect between what we do as photographers and what most snap shooters do; we still think we are preserving the moment for us and future generations to experience, while they are simply using a tool for online social currency...