Sorry to parse, but there is a clarification that needs to be pointed out here. Private space that is accessible to the public, such as a mall, is "qausi-public" meaning that in such a place you have no reasonable expectation of privacy. While the owner or management of the mall may set policy regarding actions such as photography, or any other activity for that matter, within its private space, an individual person who is in the quasi-public area can not. If the property owner allows photography, there is nothing that legally prevents one from engaging in the activity, and there is no reasonable expectation of privacy to be had for others who choose to be in that area.
What happened to make you such a misandrist?
Further, I do question the veracity of your story.
Wow, "misandrist" that is a big word for someone in shorts.
I didn't realize preferring the company of gentlemen over cocky bastards made one a misandrist. Oh dearie me..
I'm sure it was a coincidence that you were placed at the end of the table.
"Quasi-public" is not a distinction made in public/private discourse. In aggregate, we have grown accustomed to the notion of private space masquerading as public, and for this, we have in aggregate (in many places across the world, not just here in Canada or where I used to live in the U.S.) acclimated to the idea that what goes on in private spaces is public. In practice, though, it is illusory, as public space here does not nor cannot as readily exclude populations based on appearance or perceived social classes the way a private space can be sanctioned to do. This is why, for example, finding panhandlers inside a shopping mall or PATH system is inordinately more difficult than, say, on a public sidewalk or square.
With regard to the birthday lunch, the obstacle in question was not*so much of a legal matter, but of a socially appropriate matter. And therein resided the disruptiveness of his bringing out the camera and shooting people with it who had not given him the go-ahead nor, from the other end of the table, saw him make an effort to preface what he was intending to do before doing it. His negotiation and communication skills were lousy, to put it mildly. I find that having both skills are key qualities to possess when photographing people.
I'm sure it was a coincidence that you were placed at the end of the table.
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...wait a minute. Wrong thread. Zoinks.
You are incorrect. "Quasi-public" is a distinction made in public/private discourse. The US supreme court has made many rulings specifically concerning quasi-public areas, most of which concern free speech.
I am pointing out that what is allowed is up to the property owner. Within what is legal, the property owner must make exclusions. If not excluded, what is publicly legal is legal in the quasi public area, and even then the property owner may or may not be able to enforce their own wishes, depending on how "public" they have made their private property. I have dealt with this specific issue many times in my job. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy in a quasi public area. Zero.
I do find it intriguing that in this debate, I am defending privacy rights when my own research and passion are in preserving and reclaiming public spacing!
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Accozzaglia.
Photography has many different classifications as I am sure you are aware of. If this guy is a photojournalist/documentary photographer then he was in his element considering the fact that he was at a birthday party. I feel that you severely overreacted in this case. Would you tell a wildlife photographer not to take a photograph of a deer without first asking permission?
Jamusu.
Sorry to parse, but there is a clarification that needs to be pointed out here. In the USA at least, private space that is accessible to the public, such as a mall, is termed "qausi-public" meaning that in such a place you have no reasonable expectation of privacy. That is precisely why the property owner has the right to surveillance of your activities on the premise with security cameras. While the owner or management of the mall may set policy regarding actions such as photography, or any other activity for that matter, within its private space, an individual person who is in the quasi-public area can not. If the property owner allows photography, there is nothing that legally prevents someone from engaging in the activity, and there is no reasonable expectation of privacy to be had for others who choose to be in that area. The same goes for a parking lot, amusement park, or any other area that is accessible to the public in general.
OTO, it hasn't been pointed out that one right someone does carry with them at all times in a public place is the right not to be harassed. If someone is impeding your ability to move about freely, generally being a nuisance, and continues to do so after being asked to desist, then you have a case for harassment, which is really the issue being discussed here, and is undefinable outside specific incidence.
Most malls I have worked in as a photographer have restrictions regarding commercial/for-hire photography, but do not ban private individuals from using their cameras. I'm sure there are exceptions both ways.
I do find it intriguing that in this debate, I am defending privacy rights when my own research and passion are in preserving and reclaiming public spacing!
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Accozzaglia.
Photography has many different classifications as I am sure you are aware of. If this guy is a photojournalist/documentary photographer then he was in his element considering the fact that he was at a birthday party. I feel that you severely overreacted in this case. Would you tell a wildlife photographer not to take a photograph of a deer without first asking permission?
Jamusu.
I am aware, and as outlined, he was a concert photographer by trade. His approach that day was akin to a member of the paparazzi: aggressive, standoffish when confronted (the way a kid does when told to get out of the cookie jar). He was not invited to wear his professional hat that day, and my friend, the host, had not expected him to do that.
Ok, your right. About exactly what, I don't know, nor at this point do I give a rat's ass.
Chow.
What a way to conduct a constructive discourse. Forgive me for responding to you. Or sth.
Lawyer wordsmithing in a compulsive need to be "right" is hardly a constructive discourse. Furthermore, you constantly return to this straw man anecdote, that is entirely irrelevant. There is no law that I am aware of against being an ass. So what exactly is the point? You haven't made one. There's your answer and I am done with you.
Then he was in his element as I posted earlier. Also it seems apparent to me that your overreaction had more to do with the fact the he was using a digital camera and not because of what you deemed to be an invasion of privacy.
Jamusu.
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