accozzaglia
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Sorry to parse, but there is a clarification that needs to be pointed out here. Private space that is accessible to the public, such as a mall, is "qausi-public" meaning that in such a place you have no reasonable expectation of privacy. While the owner or management of the mall may set policy regarding actions such as photography, or any other activity for that matter, within its private space, an individual person who is in the quasi-public area can not. If the property owner allows photography, there is nothing that legally prevents one from engaging in the activity, and there is no reasonable expectation of privacy to be had for others who choose to be in that area.
"Quasi-public" is not a distinction made in public/private discourse. In aggregate, we have grown accustomed to the notion of private space masquerading as public, and for this, we have in aggregate (in many places across the world, not just here in Canada or where I used to live in the U.S.) acclimated to the idea that what goes on in private spaces is public. In practice, though, it is illusory, as public space here does not nor cannot as readily exclude populations based on appearance or perceived social classes the way a private space can be sanctioned to do. This is why, for example, finding panhandlers inside a shopping mall or PATH system is inordinately more difficult than, say, on a public sidewalk or square.
With regard to the birthday lunch, the obstacle in question was not*so much of a legal matter, but of a socially appropriate matter. And therein resided the disruptiveness of his bringing out the camera and shooting people with it who had not given him the go-ahead nor, from the other end of the table, saw him make an effort to preface what he was intending to do before doing it. His negotiation and communication skills were lousy, to put it mildly. I find that having both skills are key qualities to possess when photographing people.
[Appended to add: On the matter of public/private spacing being more ambiguous than it used to be, this really has much deeper reverberations in matters of social-cultural conditioning of classing the "public" as undesirable or unneeded, and re-classing the "private" to effect varying levels of "public" — or "quasi-public" — space. Before the arrival of PPPs (public-private partnerships) in the 1980s and moves by BIAs/BIDs (business improvement areas/business improvement districts) to quietly (but attractively) refashion public spaces within their catchment to private spacing — or blurring the line so much that it becomes unclear whether the public space is really all that public — it was a lot easier to draw distinctions between the two. At this point, within the span of a couple of generations of people, we have increasingly experienced the impact of making the private appear as public. I return to the indoor shopping mall — that of Southdale Center in Eagan, MN, 1956-57 — as the beginning of this trend that is now prevalent on a much wider level. These changes affect how and why it is a lot harder now to create public parks or even municipal sporting venues without sponsorships adorning the place. The creation of an urban park like Stanley Park or Central Park simply could not happen today given these changes.]
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