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Hi all,
I use a lot of Ilford HP5 in both 35mm (various Nikons) and 120 (RB67 plus a couple of old Brownies). I used to process in Xtol but more recently moved to ID11. When I printed contacts (grade 2 onto Ilford RC) I noticed that the times for 120 and 35mm were different to get the same density on the print. I put this down to different lenses and column heights as I usually put the 80mm lens on for contacts for 120 and 50mm on for contacts for 35mm, only because I would then print from those negatives anyway so I put the right lens on first. Recently I revisited a whole bunch of rolls and reprinted the contacts in one big batch, same lens, same column height, same film, and from the same developer for the same time, and the contacts for 120 films needed about a half to one stop less light than the 35mm to get the same density. I've always been rubbish as assessing negative density on a light box but the 120 do seem less dense than the 35mm, so when I print the contacts from 120 at the same exposure time, they come out way darker. Is this normal? Is there a different development time for 120 compared with 35mm? This is the only conclusion I can reach though the only evidence I can cite is that Steve Anchell in 'The Darkroom Cookbook' says that often people prefer to develop 120 for 20% more time but this doesn't seem to crop up in the published times on the datasheets.

I can't fathom what's going on here. If it was one or two films then I could understand it, perhaps it was a camera fault, but the RB67 shots were with different lenses, the 35mm from three or four different cameras with different lenses.

The 120 negatives print fine, they look good, I'm just perplexed by the contact prints.
 

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It has to do with the thickness of the film base among other things.
 
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You mean that would affect the development time or the exposure time for contact prints?
 

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Development time.
 

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Mainly effects the print exposure times, 120 film has a gelatin coat on the rear as well helps prevent curl.

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Since I print 35mm film at one time, and 120 film at another time without normally switching back and forth between the two, I never noticed. I only saw the difference when developing film.
 

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I don't know what others do, but I always develop my 120 negs and 35mm negs exactly the same way, assuming everything else is a constant. But, since 120 gives smoother tones than 35mm, if I want more contrast or grain in 120 I'll either adjust the exposures in the camera, or later in the film development. On one level, film is film. On another level, the amount of real estate involved will give a different look.
 
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In my experience it is quite common to have different dev time for 135 and 120. But in your case, the difference in printing time is not an issue as long as there is no contrast problem. I mean if you have good/pleasant shadows and highlights details in both type of film with a grade 2 paper then don't change a thing. It doesn't really matter if one takes 1 stop more to print (off course 2 or 3 stops would probably be another story). But if the highlights in in one of the film format is systematically too dull or too dense and you have subsequent contrast issues then it might be wise to adapt your dev time for this film format.


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Yes, they print quite nicely, in fact are much nicer and easier to print than 35mm. I really should do more in 120 format, though the bulk of the RB67 is a challenge!
 

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Yes, they print quite nicely, in fact are much nicer and easier to print than 35mm. I really should do more in 120 format, though the bulk of the RB67 is a challenge!

Time to graduate to the Hasselblad system. <<wink, wink>>
 
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