Difference between Tri-X Pan (320) and Tmax400

[Chris Lange]

I wouldn't want to drink "corked wine"... It wouldn't taste very good...

ah the penny's dropped.

 

[StoneNYC]

...Why is it that you seem to take every offer of advice and resources and turn it into some kind of accusation about your methods?...

often because advice given out of context of what I want to know in that moment.

For example, this thread, what I asked was what are the differences in looks and characteristics of these two films when I got in response was a bunch of stuff about how I should do this and I should do that and I should use this other film and I should do these things none of which was what I was asking if you don't want to answer my question that's fine but don't come in here and start talking about how I should do this thing and that thing when all I want is an answer to a simple question. When instead I'm given a bunch of other things, of course I'm going to be annoyed and not that I take offense to things but I certainly react to them because it's distracting from the actual question that I have at that moment WHICH ISNT BEING ANSWERED... It wasn't, it is now of course...

If I have an opening gallery and people come in and critique and criticize my work that's to be expected but if I call a photographer on the phone and I asked them hey have you use these two films what are the differences and he says oh you should use either those films you should use this other film instead, that doesn't at all help me because I'm ready decided on one of the two and I just want to know which one. I don't know how much clearer I can be and how simple this is it baffles me that no one seems to understand that I didn't ask your advice on how I should capture my imagery, or develop my imagery, it's MY IMAGERY and I'll do whatever the heck I want with it. I don't see everyone telling John how he shouldn't use coffee because it doesn't have a high enough acutence or lame other stupid reason, John enjoys his method and why can't I enjoy mine and not have to constantly be told "you're doing it wrong" , it's friggin art people, there is no right or wrong...

 

[DREW WILEY]

As long as you can take a mild punch, fine with me.... It's all in fun... but by asking certain questions you will get certain answers, which is inevitable on a forum like this.... Yet what really counts is that you enjoy your photography, regardless.

 

[StoneNYC]

ah the penny's dropped.

You obviously don't drink wine or you'd understand that a corked wine, is a wine that has gone bad...

 

[Chris Lange]

you obviously didn't understand what I meant by "the penny's dropped".

or by continuing the analogy.

 

[StoneNYC]

As long as you can take a mild punch, fine with me.... It's all in fun... but by asking certain questions you will get certain answers, which is inevitable on a forum like this.... Yet what really counts is that you enjoy your photography, regardless.

It's true enjoying photography is the most important part I think, and of course it in a forum like this I will get lots of responses that aren't exactly what I'm looking for, it just happens that sometimes there are so many more answers that have nothing to do with the question at hand that get bombarded at me and I get a little frustrated.

 

[StoneNYC]

you obviously didn't understand what I meant by "the penny's dropped".

or by continuing the analogy.

I understand The analogy that quote and the penny drops" means "to understand" but I thought you were saying that I understood not that you understood, anyway it doesn't really matter I think that were both understanding both things I guess lol

 

[DREW WILEY]

... and you obviously can't taste the wine unless the cork is pulled in the first place. At least you need to know that much. Maybe you've just
been chewing on the labels all this time.....

 

[StoneNYC]

... and you obviously can't taste the wine unless the cork is pulled in the first place. At least you need to know that much. Maybe you've just
been chewing on the labels all this time.....

Some of the wine I drink the label ink is actually printed on the bottle... Those are "crunchy" hah!

 

[Chris Lange]

The precise, but not too-complicated-for-you answer to your question then.

TXT/TXP: available only in sheets, 320 nominal ISO, geared more towards controlled lighting and studio applications. Slightly more coarse grain than TMY2 when enlarged, but since it is only available in sheet film format, this is a moot point. Was my favorite b/w film in 120 until its discontinuance. Rodinal and this film sang together when exposed properly. 2003 vintage is a good year, lots of body and notes of chocolate in the shadow tones, a rare find, and a pleasure for your palate. Serve over MCC110 (rare to medium rare) with a side of selenium 1:15.

TMY2: available in all formats, making standardization across camera systems easy (important to consider). More sensitive to processing variations, finer grain and slightly different spectral response in comparison to TXP-TXT / vanilla Tri-X, reduced blue sensitivity, making a yellow filter less necessary for certain sky effects. General purpose film...capable of handling huge SBR (subject-brightness-range). Sharper, more "clinical" rendition of detail. If you're counting pores this is the film for you vs. tri-x. Grain has a slightly different rendition than traditional films when enlarged, but basically unimportant. Easy to find, not aged too long, wide range of flavor, but can be finicky when you get down to the details of how you serve it.

ps. And since you use sheets and roll film it would make sense to use TMY-2 so as to maintain consistency. Personally never liked the stuff...prefer HP5+ if I'm not using TX.

 

[StoneNYC]

The precise, but not too-complicated-for-you answer to your question then.

TXT/TXP: available only in sheets, 320 nominal ISO, geared more towards controlled lighting and studio applications. Slightly more coarse grain than TMY2 when enlarged, but since it is only available in sheet film format, this is a moot point. Was my favorite b/w film in 120 until its discontinuance. Rodinal and this film sang together when exposed properly. 2003 vintage is a good year, lots of body and notes of chocolate in the shadow tones, a rare find, and a pleasure for your palate. Serve over MCC110 (rare to medium rare) with a side of selenium 1:15.

TMY2: available in all formats, making standardization across camera systems easy (important to consider). More sensitive to processing variations, finer grain and slightly different spectral response in comparison to TXP-TXT / vanilla Tri-X, reduced blue sensitivity, making a yellow filter less necessary for certain sky effects. General purpose film...capable of handling huge SBR (subject-brightness-range). Sharper, more "clinical" rendition of detail. If you're counting pores this is the film for you vs. tri-x. Grain has a slightly different rendition than traditional films when enlarged, but basically unimportant. Easy to find, not aged too long, wide range of flavor, but can be finicky when you get down to the details of how you serve it.

ps. And since you use sheets and roll film it would make sense to use TMY-2 so as to maintain consistency. Personally never liked the stuff...prefer HP5+ if I'm not using TX.

That was PERFECT!!!

Thank you! See that's all I was looking for, again I want to thank a few of you who gave similar responses mid-way in this crazy thread lol.

NOW I'm about to process some TMX, Double-X & Acros100 at the same time so I'll be a while in responding

NO not all in the same tank... But I've gotten down my dev times so I can do two tanks at once and it works out so I can pour the stop from one tank right into the other

I'm sure you're all gritting your teeth now... Heh!

 

[DREW WILEY]

I'd agree with Chris completely, except that I absolutely love TMY400. But in your case, Stone, it means you could try out this film in relatively
affordabe 120 roll film format and get a pretty good idea how it would behave in sheets too. Maybe you could save up enough money to actually get a pizza by walking thru the FRONT door of the parlor.

 

[StoneNYC]

I'd agree with Chris completely, except that I absolutely love TMY400. But in your case, Stone, it means you could try out this film in relatively
affordabe 120 roll film format and get a pretty good idea how it would behave in sheets too. Maybe you could save up enough money to actually get a pizza by walking thru the FRONT door of the parlor.

Thanks Drew, as I mentioned earlier, I've gone through about two Pro-pac's worth of TMY-2 in 120 already. I know that's not enough to fully learn a film, but it certainly enough to get an idea of some of what it's capable of doing. I just had no concept of what TXP was like so I didn't have a good idea of how to compare it without asking others since I didn't want to buy a whole pack of TXP in sheet film if it wasn't what I wanted

 

[Chris Lange]

Don't bother with TXT if you've already started using TMY2. It's not a "special" film, and certainly won't do anything TMY2 can't do with tweaking or technique. That said when I look at prints I couldn't tell you if a given photograph was made with HP5+ or tri-x, much less FP4+...I have prints from FP4 that are vastly more grainy than prints from either hp5 or tx...I don't really give a damn what film the neg is on as long as I can get the print i want out of it. I have negatives that are easier to print than they are to scan, by orders of magnitude. The reverse is not true.

 

[DREW WILEY]

If you want to test a distinctly different flavor of film, try ACROS. It's a lot slower and finer-grained, but has a unique spectral sensitivity, and is also comparatively affordable in 120 roll film. It's more forgiving in exposure than TMY,TMX or PanF. Lovely stuff.

 

[Chris Lange]

definitely true. acros is a unique beast. relatively inexpensive too, for a film that rivals 100TMX. I used to use a lot of it back when it was only 2.89 a roll for 120...

 

[StoneNYC]

Drew, Chris, you guys are funny, yes it's true Acros100 is cheaper in 120, however this is about shooting for by five, which Acros100 is one of the most expensive black-and-white films on the market.

I shoot more Acros100 than anything probably...

But in 4x5 it's just crazy expensive.

Also again this is about shooting for 400 speed film at 800, the reason is because I want to balance the outside light with my strobe light and I can't often do that at slower speeds and still get the DOF I want based on my light output vs the sun.

If Neopan400 were available in sheet form, heck if it were even available at all anymore, that's probably what I would pick for most of my people shooting....

But it's not, so TMY-2 it is... Box purchased today...

 

[StoneNYC]

Reportedly old red wine can be used to develop film.

Wouldn't that be for the stop bath? Goes vinnegar?

 

[StoneNYC]

Perhaps the reducing agent in it works under mildly acidic conditions (like Amidol). Alternatively maybe you have make it alkaline by adding Carbonate like they do when they make Caffenol. No idea. I'm not a wine drinker.

I think John would probably be the person to ask for that one, he's the master of all things "household kitchen developer", John, what's the verdict?

 

[removed account4]

hey stone!

haven't used red wine, but i have heard of people using it,
rosemary, mint, all sorts of stuff
shallots ( regular ones, not persian shallots ) tend to
give you a reversed ( positive ! ) image ...
but i haven't done it to be honest.

this thread might be of some use if you
feel like mcgyvering !
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

and then there is that guy on flickr who processes his film in ... ummm ... "urineol"

coffee is as far as i go ... and i can sometimes read my fortune before i process the film
... neopan and acros look very nice processed in caffenol ( as do most other films )
- john
ps we drank a nice 97 bordeaux with some friends sunday night .. we brought it back from a cave ( la cave du cousin de ma femme ) in france .. yes, it was tasty !
bottled some beer yesterday, and brewed up another batch tonight, not processing film in it thought ..

strictly for human consumption ..

 

[StoneNYC]

hey stone!

haven't used red wine, but i have heard of people using it,
rosemary, mint, all sorts of stuff
shallots ( regular ones, not persian shallots ) tend to
give you a reversed ( positive ! ) image ...
but i haven't done it to be honest.

this thread might be of some use if you
feel like mcgyvering !
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

and then there is that guy on flickr who processes his film in ... ummm ... "urineol"

coffee is as far as i go ... and i can sometimes read my fortune before i process the film
... neopan and acros look very nice processed in caffenol ( as do most other films )
- john
ps we drank a nice 97 bordeaux with some friends sunday night .. we brought it back from a cave ( la cave du cousin de ma femme ) in france .. yes, it was tasty !
bottled some beer yesterday, and brewed up another batch tonight, not processing film in it thought ..

strictly for human consumption ..

Well John, that wine sounds great!

I'll check out the link in a second, and my only other comment is just make sure you remember with all the stuff you got going on which of those is the used developer and which is the not used and for consumption developer, you wouldn't want to mix up the two

 

[removed account4]

lol

i never consume anything in the DR, except for fixer fumes.

 

[StoneNYC]

Wear a mask!

 

[Chris Lange]

killed a bottle of Ménage à trois while printing earlier...now onto the scotch.

 

[StoneNYC]

killed a bottle of Ménage à trois while printing earlier...now onto the scotch.

Wine before liquor... isn't there a saying about that? lol