Comment about XTOL in Adox / Lina Bessonova video

[DeletedAcct1]

Actually, all the packaging changes discussed in this thread are called "stay in business."

When Mike's can of Selectol was manufactured in 1969, how many photographic customers had the ability to use a digital camera? A cell phone? None. Silver halide photography was the only option, and Kodak was massively dominant, both over the amateur market and professional practitioners. Volumes were huuuuuge. Cost of packaging in cans was whatever it was. Customers in both segments paid whatever Kodak charged. There were virtually no other choices, at least at the quality and consistency level Kodak provided.

Today, despite talk of a "film revival," the market for silver halide products is minuscule compared to digital imaging, which dominates massively over amateurs and professional practitioners. Kodak, irrespective of prior management blunders that are discussed endlessly, is but one player in this new niche. A monochrome film developer like XTOL is a niche within a niche. Forget about the shipping premium that putting XTOL in cans might impose. Manufacturing cost alone compared to plastic bags would push the price of the product (one that's already drawn complaints for decades) into completely unsellable territory. Competition in the niche is intense. Ask Mirko how price sensitive things are.

In my opinion, just like speculation about Kodak Alaris' licensing agreement with Eastman Kodak, those who know Kodak's marketing strategies aren't talking, and those who are talking don't know. Irrespective of whatever "qualifications" they claim to have.

I ask you something: why Ilford hasn't had all the Kodak screw-ups? Ilford developers are still made in Germany as Kodak's.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I ask you something: why Ilford hasn't had all the Kodak screw-ups? Ilford developers are still made in Germany as Kodak's.

Ilford did not invent the digital camera; Kodak did, but did not capitalize on it. Kodak still makes color slide and negative film; Ilford no longer does. How about you eating your anti-Kodak hat for a change?

 

[NB23]

Ilford did not invent the digital camera; Kodak did, but did not capitalize on it. Kodak still makes color slide and negative film; Ilford no longer does. How about you eating your anti-Kodak hat for a change?

I have rarely encountered someone with such poor logic, on a forum. What exactly are your arguments?

It is blatantly obvious that kodak has been mismanaged to the level of a low budget traveling circus. There are simply no valid arguments against that fact.

They went from more powerful than the Nasa to garbage. During that time, fuji went from nothing to the Top. Ilford took the BW market.

kodak? During 2019 they managed to destroy hc-110 and mess around, yet again, with d76 and xtol.

stop being the fanboy. Understand that nobody has pleasure in the Kodak debacle. It’s quite frustrating.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

I ask you something: why Ilford hasn't had all the Kodak screw-ups? Ilford developers are still made in Germany as Kodak's.

You quote my post #180 and ask that question unrelated to it? Absurd. Try to suppress your Kodak hatred.

 

[MattKing]

I ask you something: why Ilford hasn't had all the Kodak screw-ups? Ilford developers are still made in Germany as Kodak's.

Kodak HC-110, T-Max Developer, Rapid Selenium Toner and Rapid Fixer are now all US made.
I'm not sure what other products are now coming from other, non-Tetenal sources.
If Tetenal had not been revived, all Ilford developers chemicals would have had to be replaced.
Disruption results in change, and change brings both positives and negatives.
For the North American market - which is both Kodak and Harman's largest market - it is probably the case that US production is an advantage - particularly for liquids.

 

[Sirius Glass]

You quote my post #180 and ask that question unrelated to it? Absurd. Try to suppress your Kodak hatred.

He cannot because he is blind with hate. Just ignore the troll.

 

[DeletedAcct1]

Kodak HC-110, T-Max Developer, Rapid Selenium Toner and Rapid Fixer are now all US made.
I'm not sure what other products are now coming from other, non-Tetenal sources.
If Tetenal had not been revived, all Ilford developers chemicals would have had to be replaced.
Disruption results in change, and change brings both positives and negatives.
For the North American market - which is both Kodak and Harman's largest market - it is probably the case that US production is an advantage - particularly for liquids.

All Kodak Alaris chemicals has suffered problems, both madein USA and Germany...

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Okay, that's enough of that.