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Yes!111 How dare them!11!!! Sue them!111 A bit snowflaking here, as always
I would definely buy Adox Xtol if they make it available. I like their products; affordable and good quality.
My concern is that current XTOL packages are somehow not up to specification according to Adox.
The only thing 'new' I learned here is that Lina and Mirko are engaged - congratulations!
whateverYes!111 How dare them!11!!! Sue them!111 A bit snowflaking here, as always
I would definely buy Adox Xtol if they make it available. I like their products; affordable and good quality.
That's the key statement and is completely unqualified by the vlogger/blogger. She may not be an employee of Adox but she was given full access to Adox and unless she, as a non employee, is showing her graph based on her research then the conclusion has to be that this was a chart drawn up by Adox and access to it was given to her but no attempt was made to qualify the statement.
Adox may very well not be challenged legally by KA or even otherwise be contacted. A two second statement and showing a graph may not be considered important enough to be commercially damaging but nevertheless it was in my opinion something that if given a bit more thought might not have been included.
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That is correct.
I was affected by this issue, too. A friend of mine as well. Whether this is a batch issue, or a more permanent problem.......certainly more regularly tests have to be done to make a final judgement.
Maybe Adox has got more complains via the Fotoimpex customers, and because of that decided to do some R&D for an own, but better product. I don't know.
In general I was a bit dissappointed by this video, because I have hoped for an insight of the ADOX factory. But nothing was shown really.
Also dissappointed by Mrs. Bessonovas comment below the video, where she wrote that the Gamma of film development for condensor enlargers is 0.65. That is of course wrong. The Gamma for condensor enlargers is 0.55. The Gamma for mixed systems is 0.60-0.62, and for diffusor enlargers it is 0.70.
She has certainly done much better videos than this in the past (her Ilford paper test video was good).
I would not have published it.
In the past in Germany comparative advertising was illegal.
But since 20 years (EU regulation) it is legal, unless untrue or derogatory.
In case of offence by influencers likely proof must be delivered that a manufacturer was behind such video.
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Well she travelled in the same car and is apparently engaged to Mirko and does make that statement about what Adox chemists found which was a "huge difference"
This may not be proof that Adox is involved and as I said it may just be something that was said without a great deal of thought but the comment is certainly open to interpretation. Not a comment that I would have allowed if it had been my business without ensuring that it was a fully qualified as to what was meant by the statement
pentaxuser
I would purchase it too. I quit using Xtol recently due to underdevelopment.
I still have two packs of Xtol I bought in Henry's in Toronto back in 2003 although I didn't stop using it until 2007. So I can't comment on the differences.
All companies check out there competitors products, they need to see how they compare to their own, and Fotoimpex also sell Kodak products as well as their own. Personally I don't pay much if any attention to videos like this one mostly because I've been developing &printing for over 50+ years.
Ian
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My non-scientific test results are that the latest batch works just like the old stuff I had before the packaging issue arose.
I had an interruption in my film developing of almost one year. I never had to deal with any of the packages affected by the packaging problem.
I had an interruption in my film developing of almost one year. I never had to deal with any of the packages affected by the packaging problem.
This is what I would expect.
Me too
I expected equal performance from the new Xtol too but didn't get it. ;-) I don't doubt Matt's results but I also don't doubt my own. I'm not sure why some are having underdevelopment and others are not.
I think there are too many experienced photographers finding underdevelopment with new Xtol for it to be a fantasy or user error, and it appears Adox is giving the issue the attention it deserves and has found the new Xtol lacking. It'll be interesting to see if they publish more information on this subject.
it has been mentioned above and it has been recognized by Kodak, the problem only affects part of the batches, but it does not concern the product per se.
My issue was not from a bad batch identified by Kodak. In fact it was from replacement chemistry sent to my by Alaris after an earlier bad batch problem.
It's possible that also that batch was partly affected. Kodak is still investingating with the chemistry manufacturer, that is a german one.
The problem is the video doesn't give the basis for the statements made.
You have to remember the video is only adding to previous comments here and on other Forums beginning over a year ago, and it's the people who made those posts here who need to address ic-racer's questions.
It's also worth remembering taht many recent issues with films, chemistry etc have been the result of issues with 3rd party suppliers/sub-contractors. I'm thinking here particularly of 120 roll film issues due to minor changes from the backing paper supplier, but also changes in chemical manufacturers.
Ian
It's also worth remembering taht many recent issues with films, chemistry etc have been the result of issues with 3rd party suppliers/sub-contractors. I'm thinking here particularly of 120 roll film issues due to minor changes from the backing paper supplier, but also changes in chemical manufacturers.
Ian
it is not enough to show an Excel chart, and even in a hurry, and throw the stone and hide your hand ...
I'm referring to the video.
if any one says that xtol has a "huge difference" compared to the old xtol, whatever it means, it must also say why and on the basis of which data, otherwise it will not be credible
I've used a reasonable number of Kodak black & white '120' roll films in the last year with the newer glossy backing paper, without any sign of issue.
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