I meant share in colour vs b&w
See my post at #289
Speaking for only myself, I do not imagine scenes in B&W, but am aware of the transitions happening in the process of creating a B&W carbon or platinum/palladium print from the scene in front of the camera. For example, how the wonderful yellows of Fall in the redwoods can become guiding sources of light within an image.I have been thinking about it, and I don’t think that can be right, given that most digital photos are taken in colour by default, and presumably some of those would work equally well or better in b/w. So colour is dispensable in at least some cases. Alternatively, would you say that if one is to make a successful b/w image, it is necessary to imagine the scene in b/w before taking the shot? Actually I’m somewhat inclined to the latter view, although I am not aware of doing this myself.
I have been thinking about it, and I don’t think that can be right, given that most digital photos are taken in colour by default, and presumably some of those would work equally well or better in b/w.
I may need to clarify. I certainly don’t mean that there’s no composition. What gives his work its impact (in my eyes) is the fact that the composition is done with both tone and colour. If you remove the colour, the work is significantly diminished (IMHO - although I’d probably be glad to have taken it!).You surprise me. I didn’t know Allard’s work, but I’ve just tried de-saturating a few of his photos, and they seem to lose their interest quite dramatically…which is what I’d expect, but you did say that a good photo should work either way.
If you remove the colour, the work is significantly diminished
Maybe we are all agreeing about this, just saying it in different ways.
You thereby claim that colour can't be the actual content of the photo but is secondary to whatever is shared between a colour photo and its desaturated version.
battle betweentones vs hues. I am sure there are no losers.
What do you think? They both look equally good to me. I prefer the colour version but again I don't think that something changed dramatically
There's a good point here.That's if you believe the colour photo and the b&w photo are the same photo. In the instance that what you are photographing is colour, can you really say that desaturating it keeps it the same photo?
Why? What makes an image "strong" or "weak"? And why is colour not a part of that?If the colour is indeed the actual content of the image then the image is weak imho
Well now I might go even further with an even more absurd personal opinion and you might not like it at all:
If the colour is indeed the actual content of the image then the image is weak imho
Well now I might go even further with an even more absurd personal opinion and you might not like it at all:
If the colour is indeed the actual content of the image then the image is weak imho
Well now I might go even further with an even more absurd personal opinion and you might not like it at all:
If the colour is indeed the actual content of the image then the image is weak imho
If the colour is the actual content of the image
Greg - I never did think the vast majority of Natl Geo published shots amounted to anything in an artistic sense. What they did well is complement the articles, journalistically. I dropped my subscription when they started including artsified digitally manipulated images (even if fine-print admitted to be such), while at the same time they switched to matte printing paper, and then also bore the effect oa a very heavy editorial hand was in predictably beating us over the head with US political controversies (it had nothing to do with whether I agree with their editorial position or not - I was just sick of hearing the same incessant drumbeat).
Greg - I never did think the vast majority of Natl Geo published shots amounted to anything in an artistic sense. What they did well is complement the articles, journalistically. I dropped my subscription when they started including artsified digitally manipulated images (even if fine-print admitted to be such), while at the same time they switched to matte printing paper, and then also bore the effect oa a very heavy editorial hand was in predictably beating us over the head with US political controversies (it had nothing to do with whether I agree with their editorial position or not - I was just sick of hearing the same incessant drumbeat).
I'll only say this - sometimes NG hires really talented photographers, but in the process of re-cropping for publication size, and even with respect to specific image selection, they frequently butcher original compositions. Or an image which might look quite impressive large ends up the size of a postage stamp on a magazine endsheet.
I subscribed for the travel stories; and the attached pictures complemented these. If I want to see what some of their greats could do, like Bradford Washburn, I buy a folio book of his images, or go see an actual exhibition. I don't expect a faithful reproduction in their magazine, any more than I'd hold out serious expectations for an AA image published in Sunset mag.
Allard did have guts moving in close to rodeo action with a wide angle lens. Growing up, I played in a hay fort with the son of a rodeo Hall-of-Famer who got gored by bulls six times in his career. He became rich at it, and ended up with an enormous ranch (half a million acres). He bred Brahma bulls for sake of meanness; the nastier they were, the more rodeo points they could score for a rider. Some of his fences were two miles apart; and I remember the fog lifting, and the outlines of those bulls starting to appear, staring our direction, with no trees in sight. ... crawling on our bellies in the shallowest of depressions. I've been treed by bulls quite a few times too.
I think that it is unfortunate that black and white versus color became such a dichotomy in photography, unlike in other art fields.
or either....B&W or colour ......and it doesn't keep them up nights.I don't think that is actually the case in the real world. Many photographers use both B&W and colour, depending upon the application and what their desired final result is and don't torture themselves about it. It's just another tool in the toolbox that can be used.
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