Color correction for Rollei Digibase CR200?

[Nzoomed]

Well, i will be able to tell you over the next few weeks how i find my film. I expect it should shoot fine.
Has anyone experimented with this film by shooting at different film speeds set on the camera? I expect if i set my camera to ISO400, i would get finer grain, but poor exposure?

 

[Tofek]

Finer grain at 400asa ?

 

[Nzoomed]

Finer grain at 400asa ?

If i shoot a film rated at 200asa and set the camera to around 400, that would have a smaller aperture wouldnt it since the camera is set for a more light sensitive film? but this would give poor exposure i expect.

 

[Tofek]

It is said that this film is quite tolerant though, for a slide film. Maybe it is due to its low contrast, like with Astia for example. Super 8 film users expose it either at 160ASA or at 250ASA, depending on their camera, and with good results, apparently. 400ASA seems too much anyway.

 

[Nzoomed]

Well i hope it can tolerate some over exposure, i started shooting my first roll of this film up on our skifield on Mt Ruapehu.
I had a roll of kodak elitechrome 100 in the camera and i quickly changed rolls of film, forgetting to set the camera to iso 200, forgetting that this film is not DX coded!
And here i was telling Wittner-Cinetec that DX coding did not bother me when they asked me! lol
Well, i dont have a problem without DX coding, and normally would have remembered to have set the film speed if i put the film in the camera before going up on the slopes. Its not like the Digibase CR200 is DX coded anyway.
Anyway i only shot about 10 exposures before i realised i forgot to set the film speed.
I hope i still get some good photos, it was a very cloudy, overcast day and to top things off it was a blizzard! Hopefully the low light conditions would have made up for it a bit.
What will i expect to see? Extremley faint image mainly white out? I dont know, but i will share my results at the end of this month hopefully!

 

[Nzoomed]

probably will still look good overexposed a stop in overcast and dark situations

yes thats what im hoping for!
I cant wait to get this roll developed, i do lots of photography on the snow and outdoors etc.

 

[Nzoomed]

i sent my roll away to the lab today, i should get it back next week!

 

[spatz]

I have also ordered some rolls of Chrome 200D from Wittner Kinotechnik and once ive shot one or two I will scan them in and post some samples. As a side note I noticed in the datasheet that they have on their website that they receive the film in sizes 24cm x 76 or 135m. If they are capable of confectioning 135 rolls then 120 would not be too much harder. Even cutting the film into sheets and putting them into boxes would take less effort. Has anyone emailed them about the possibility of this?

 

[AgX]

Converting to type 120 is, for different reasons, a more difficult task than type 135.

You can buy that film yourself in 24cm wide rolls and cut your sheets from that. But still they would be technical different due to their thinner base.

 

[spatz]

What reasons are there that you know of? I imagine very accurately perforating 135 and spooling it into cassettes would require greater technical skill and effort than would cutting 120 size film and spooling it onto rolls with backing paper.

As a student, using E6 film is already a luxury and purchasing such a quantity of film is simply out of the question. Given the price at which wittner is selling the bulk rolls of 135 aviphot chrome film I could well imagine the possibility of a cheaper sheet film alternative compared to Fuji's current offerings of E6 film at around 50 euro's for 20 sheets.

 

[AgX]

There are several aspects:

There are absolute technical requirements as film thickness and the physical and chemical property of the backing paper.

But there are also practical issues as how to merge film and paper. By hand or by machine? Where to get a funtional machine at what costs?


I wonder why you urge the industry to invest in niche markets, whereas youself seem not willing to even cut sheets yourself.

 

[Nzoomed]

It would not surprise me if Wittner-Cinetec have the capability to do this, but remember that this supplier is mainly a supplier of motion picture film, their film perforation/cutting machine more than likley can cut it to the required width, but they probably havnt pursued the path of packaging 120 film (yet) until they get considerable requests for 120 format, then maybe they will look at this.

I will flick them an email regarding this when i send them my sample shots this week, remember that they will be reading this thread closely even if they dont post on here.

 

[spatz]

AgX: I would gladly cut the sheets myself and sell/use them if I had the facilities and start-up capital to do so but i simply cannot. I was merely wondering if such a company like Wittner who are well aware of their customers needs would be able to do such a thing.

Perhaps Wittner doing 120 is a mute point if maco/rollei start are already doing so. But then again they are also doing 135 so i dont know what to make of this.

 

[AgX]

Yes, Wittner as a cine stuff dealer/manufacturer offering a still film conversion is very surprising. They might by this try to check the feasability to enter that market segment.

 

[Nzoomed]

Here's the results guys, i have sent some scans to Wittner-Cinetec for their reference.
I sent the films to the lab in Wellington (NZ) the day before they recieved a significant earthquake! I got the films safely back without too much dramas, luckily they had no major damage, but things got held up a little.
No i cant see any yellow whatsoever, so im happy with this film, while i certanly miss the fine grain of E100g, i cant complain about the grain with this film at all, colour wise, i dont actually see any significant difference to the kodak personally.
It also appears that the graininess of the picture can vary especially with exposure, for instance if there is alot of light in the background, or reflection from water, etc, it gives quite a grainy image, as an example the photo below:

However this photo taken on a rather fine day was fairly good grain wise:



This is a sample of the film strip, i was very surprised that Wittner has the equipment to add frame numbers!


On a side note, what would have caused this to my film? Is it the machine at the lab that would have done this?
My other film had similar damage except without the tear and it was before the first frame.

 

[AgX]

This is a sample of the film strip, i was very surprised that Wittner has the equipment to add frame numbers!

All industrial perforators of the last decades include edge marking.
Wiitner even use a very versatile marking technology.

 

[madgardener]

The more I hear about this film, the more I want to buy some of it to try. The price for a bulk roll isn't even that bad. A question however arises and that has to do with the VAT. Living in the US, do I pay the VAT as well?

 

[railwayman3]

The more I hear about this film, the more I want to buy some of it to try. The price for a bulk roll isn't even that bad. A question however arises and that has to do with the VAT. Living in the US, do I pay the VAT as well?

No...exports to countries outside the European Union should be free of VAT.

Not sure if you would have any local US sales tax or duty which you might have to pay as an "importer" of the goods.

 

[ME Super]

Anybody know how much shipping is for a few rolls of 135 (not bulk) to the US? I don't see any indication on their web site as to how much shipping would be for a few rolls of 135-36 just to try out.

 

[destroya]

your results seem very similar to mine, but without the edge markings as i bought a 100 foot roll. nice job.

when i bought my 100 foot roll, no VAT. I paid about $67 dollars which included shipping so all in all not bad. but with a few 100 foot rolls of provia 100f showing up on amazon for $100 i would rather pay the $30 more or about $1.50 more per roll for the better quality (better contrast and much less grain). But thats me, YMMV.

all in all though, its nice to have more options in the ever shrinking E-6 world.

 

[Nzoomed]

All industrial perforators of the last decades include edge marking.
Wiitner even use a very versatile marking technology.

It looks like its written by a laser of some sort, quite neat that it can be custom marked etc!

The film from Wittner-Cinetec really looks good, and....Edge and frame number markings? Wittner Chrome 200D in 35mm is now a trusted brand in E-6 color slide film!

I wonder if anyone has purchased recent stocks of Rollei CR-200 from the usual dealers and tried it? Hopefully it ain't Yellow.......

People may be a bit apprehensive about CR-200 purchases after what has happened on this thread

Hopefully not anymore!
Lets get shooting and start a flickr group under the name of Wittner chrome perhaps?
If we promote this film enough, it should encourage people to shoot it!
I like this film and i will probably will shoot it alongside provia when all my kodak stock runs out.
Although ive found another source of frozen elitechrome 100 thats cheap and that will probably last me a while if i buy more of it, but thats not going to help keep the film industry going by shooting dead products.

 

[wblynch]

I understand the Rollei CN-200 and CR-200 are very close films that each can be processed in C-41 or E-6. They sell the CR-200 as Rollei Crossbird intentionally for C-41 cross-processing.

Without the orange mask the negative film can be processed for great transparencies.

Hell, in reality they are probably both the actual same films.

 

[AgX]

NO. These films are are
-) different
-) not designed for cross-processing

That crossprocessing is an idea of Maco, not Agfa.

Agfa only advises crossprocessing with one of their copy films. And then it is C-41/RA-4.

 

[Nzoomed]

Did you know that Kodak Elite Chrome 100 is rumored to be the "Agfa-Photo" branded CT Precisa 100? This film is the version Agfa-Photo supplied after the real German CT Precisa 100 stocks ran out, Now Agfa-Photo is using Fujichrome for their CT Precisa 100 branded film.

I bought 20 rolls of the Agfa-Photo CT Precisa 100 slide film back in 2007, it really does look like Ektachrome! The Lomography X-Pro 100 purchased at the same time is absolutely identical to the EliteChrome/CT Precisa.

My original German made CT Precisa 100 rolls are now pushing 10+ years of age and look a bit yellow, just a bit, not like the bad CR-200, these rolls are now used for cross processing, nothing cross processes like the original German Agfa slide film! A good lab is easily able to balance the color such that you won't have a strong green, blue or yellow cast, IMO one cannot beat the original German Agfa slide film for cross processing, it is just the best!

Someone ought to try Cross processing Wittner Chrome 200D, it may be really good.

I dont think that rumour is true about Elitechrome being rebranded Presica, which all new Presica stock is actually fuji Provia as you mentioned.

My supply of elitechrome is actually dated 2007 anyway, so i doubt its not from kodak.
Still shoots fine being kept frozen.

 

[ath]

CT Precisa was rebranded Elitechrome 100 until Kodak stopped production. I've used quite a few of them.