CatLABS X FILM 320 Pro now available in 35mm and 120

[BrianShaw]

This is a brand new film!

Aviphot 200 was never available a Catlabs packaging until now.

Ahhhhh... someone who understands marketing and doesn't confuse it with engineering. Bravo!

 

[Dali]

This is a brand new film!

Aviphot 200 was never available a Catlabs packaging until now.

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[jp498]

My understanding of the term light piping is that light is able to travel through the film lengthwise, somewhat like fiber optics, so the felt does not stop it. In my case, this occurred in a band across the first frame and along the sprocket holes for the second frame.

In fiber optics, the thinner the fiber, the further light travels.. It doesn't bounce around or "mode" as much.

 

[haliderollei]

I'm just wondering why Catlabs would deceive and simply lie to everybody about this. What makes it worse is that he tried to sell u that this was somehow a new film or something, reputation goes out the window. Enjoy the few bucks.

 

[Huss]

To sum up, this is Rollei 400S which is available at $7.99/roll?

 

[Agulliver]

To sum up, this is Rollei 400S which is available at $7.99/roll?

I don't think this has yet been conclusively proved.....but it might be.

If it is, then I am *very* disappointed in CatLabs/Omer's marketing. The only potential advantage here is that the CatLabs film is confectioned by Harman, which may be something some people are happy to pay a premium for. Maybe not.

 

[pentaxuser]

I don't think this has yet been conclusively proved.....but it might be.

If it is, then I am *very* disappointed in CatLabs/Omer's marketing. The only potential advantage here is that the CatLabs film is confectioned by Harman, which may be something some people are happy to pay a premium for. Maybe not.

Well if you are a U.S user of course then there is little or no premium to be paid That only becomes the case when the only U.K. stockist I can find that sells it is Analogue Wonderland at £10

If Harman had a hand in its production or has been responsible for it almost completely then it raises the question that has been mentioned by others, namely: If this film has had a U.K. film maker's hand in its production what explains the massive difference in the 2 prices - the U.S, being $6.99 and in the U.K. the equivalent of almost $12

If on the other hand Harman had no hand in it then what costs, in sending it to the U.K., account for nearly $5?

pentaxuser

 

[warden]

To sum up, this is Rollei 400S which is available at $7.99/roll?

It's not proven, but Aparat has some Superpan 200 on the way and will test it alongside the Catlabs product so I'll wait for that. I've seen enough of Aparat's testing methodology to to say that his word will be good enough for me; if he says they are the same, they are the same.

 

[faberryman]

Certainly the CatLABS guy has gone silent following the latest revelations.

 

[pentaxuser]

Certainly the CatLABS guy has gone silent following the latest revelations.

Well it may be that unless he is prepared to give us more information than he has already given then there is nothing more for him to say. It has been clear to me from quite early on in the thread that he is not willing to say more in terms of useful info, so that only leaves him the option of statements that are likely to renew antagonism between him and some of us or renew antagonism between us members but will not be statements that contribute to a positive fact finding discussion.

On that basis I'd say that silence may be the better option for him and us

pentaxuser

 

[BrianShaw]

On that basis I'd say that silence may be the better option for him and us

Great idea. Let it begin!

 

[Huss]

It's not proven, but Aparat has some Superpan 200 on the way and will test it alongside the Catlabs product so I'll wait for that. I've seen enough of Aparat's testing methodology to to say that his word will be good enough for me; if he says they are the same, they are the same.

Ok, is Rollei 400S actually Superpan 200?

 

[warden]

Ok, is Rollei 400S actually Superpan 200?

That's what Henning is saying on the other thread. I have no personal knowledge.

"And as we all know from our tests (and from confirmation of the industry),Retro 400S is just repackaged Aviphot Pan 200 (and the same is valid for Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Infrared, meanwhile also for JCH Street Pan, two Silberra films, all are Aviphot Pan 200)."

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[Huss]

That's what Henning is saying on the other thread. I have no personal knowledge.

"And as we all know from our tests (and from confirmation of the industry),Retro 400S is just repackaged Aviphot Pan 200 (and the same is valid for Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Infrared, meanwhile also for JCH Street Pan, two Silberra films, all are Aviphot Pan 200)."

#379

In his testing Don shows them to be similar but the Catlabs definitely is faster

Testing and evaluating CatLabs "X Film 320 Pro (2022 version)

I have a few more uninspired photographs to share. As predicted by the tone reproduction analysis I did a while back in this thread, the film can record a decent luminance range rather nicely, if exposed at ISO 64 and processed in D76 1+1 for 5:45 min. I cannot speak to any other combinations...

www.photrio.com

 

[Henning Serger]

Ok, is Rollei 400S actually Superpan 200?

Yes, it is, definitely.
Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400s, Rollei Infrared 400 (as well as meanwhile JCH Street Pan and two of the Silberra films) are all Agfa Aviphot Pan 200 film.
You see that immediately if you test them: Evaluating the characteristic curve; evaluating the spectral sensitivity; and doing resolution, sharpness and fineness of grain tests. I've done all that numerous times in my photo test lab.
Photo chemistry manufacturer SPUR has done the same, and has also confirmed it.
Many other very experienced photographers have done that, too, and have come to the same result.
And: Many years ago that was also been confirmed by the Maco CEO of that time.
And: Agfa Aviphot Pan 200 is the only possible film in production at Agfa in Belgium for these films, as the former Aviphot Pan 400 was discontinued long ago (last coating run of that film was in 2008).

Best regards,
Henning

 

[Henning Serger]

In his testing Don shows them to be similar but the Catlabs definitely is faster

Testing and evaluating CatLabs "X Film 320 Pro (2022 version)

I have a few more uninspired photographs to share. As predicted by the tone reproduction analysis I did a while back in this thread, the film can record a decent luminance range rather nicely, if exposed at ISO 64 and processed in D76 1+1 for 5:45 min. I cannot speak to any other combinations...

www.photrio.com

Look at Don's additional information: His Superpan 200 film is several years old. And yes, film can loose light sensitivity over the years.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[Huss]

Look at Don's additional information: His Superpan 200 film is several years old. And yes, film can loose light sensitivity over the years.

Best regards,
Henning

I have found that if frozen, B&W film keeps its sensitivity for years! I wonder how old Don's was?

 

[Huss]

Yes, it is, definitely.
Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400s, Rollei Infrared 400 (as well as meanwhile JCH Street Pan and two of the Silberra films) are all Agfa Aviphot Pan 200 film.
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Thanks! Now I have another source of this film if I decide to use it again.

Interestingly here in the US Rollei Retro 400 is $7.99/roll while CatLabs is $6.99. So that is a reason to get CatLabs if you want that particular film!

 

[faberryman]

Thanks! Now I have another source of this film if I decide to use it again.

Interestingly here in the US Rollei Retro 400 is $7.99/roll while CatLabs is $6.99. So that is a reason to get CatLabs if you want that particular film!

Unless you don't want to support someone who has not been honest with you about what he is selling.

 

[Henning Serger]

I have found that if frozen, B&W film keeps its sensitivity for years! I wonder how old Don's was?

Huss, in the other thread he said that his film was defintely several years old as he used the bulk roll for so long.
And if you then consider the fact that Agfa is coating their aerial films in very large batches, and because of that quite rarely (there are years between coating runs), it is possible that the film material Don has used is older than 10 years.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[BrianShaw]

Unless you don't want to support someone who has not been honest with you about what he is selling.

Was Rollei honest? Serious question… I really don’t know if they divulged their source and data sheets. After experience with Bergger I just don’t ask questions or complain if it work’s acceptable for me.

 

[Huss]

Huss, in the other thread he said that his film was defintely several years old as he used the bulk roll for so long.
And if you then consider the fact that Agfa is coating their aerial films in very large batches, and because of that quite rarely (there are years between coating runs), it is possible that the film material Don has used is older than 10 years.

Best regards,
Henning

Good points. The fact that physically it feels identical adds to that.

 

[Huss]

Was Rollei honest? Serious question… I really don’t know if they divulged their source and data sheets. After experience with Bergger I just don’t ask questions or complain if it work’s acceptable for me.

What about Fuji? They never admitted that for a while they were selling rebranded Kodak 200 as Fuji 200.

 

[Mackinaw]

What about Fuji? They never admitted that for a while they were selling rebranded Kodak 200 as Fuji 200.

But they didn't deny it either. They gave some weasly answer that they cooperate with many companies around the world. Plus, for Fuji 200, it said "Made in America" on the box.

Jim B.

 

[MattKing]

And Fuji didn't say it took 4 years to design it either.