Are these likely to be available in Gibraltar which is where the OP is or just over the border in Spain. The USA, Canada and even Iceland is a long way away. If they are available how good are they at keeping air out once you start to use the contents? Really the first question is: Exactly what is a black bottle?Get the 5Litre Black Bottles from Freestyle Sales $2.99 each.
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In use throughout Canada, USA and even Iceland....
Harlequin
Go to Dead Link Removed and you will find under chemical accessories a 5litre black Poly bottle with really good sealing lid
and well constructed. They ship around the world, my friend in Alicante Spain even uses them for 5L mixes of Xtol....
Also has a thin line on side to let you know quantity of chemical left, similar to synthetic motor oil bottles, except jet black.
Good Luck....
Harlequin
to order a plastic bottle (that was most likely produced in china) from the u.s. to be shipped to gibraltar doesnt seem right. especially as better suited pet bottles are in every supermarket.. no?Go to Dead Link Removed and you will find under chemical accessories a 5litre black Poly bottle with really good sealing lid
and well constructed. They ship around the world, my friend in Alicante Spain even uses them for 5L mixes of Xtol....
Also has a thin line on side to let you know quantity of chemical left, similar to synthetic motor oil bottles, except jet black.
Good Luck....
Harlequin
do you mean this one???to order a plastic bottle (that was most likely produced in china) from the u.s. to be shipped to gibraltar doesnt seem right. especially as better suited pet bottles are in every supermarket.. no?
I think that he does but the problem I have with this is that once you begin to use the chems inside, you now have to deal with air gaps. Using soda bottles in different sizes eliminates that issue and to me, that's most important. I haven't had a problem with waste ever since using 3 soda bottle sizes. I threw away all of my big containers, they were less secure sealing and they were only good until the first use.do you mean this one???
https://www.freestylephoto.biz/6875-Arista-Black-Storage-Bottle-5-Liters
Yes Sperrera that is the bottle in heavy usage in Los Angeles, San Antonio, Canada and elsewhere.
They are not soft plastic per M. Koch, they have PET and delta triangle stamped in bottom of bottle, if you look closely at Freestyle
ARISTA developers, they ship in the same vessel, around the world..... I have a lot of commercial darkroom hours, and this is the best
storage media, with the exception of old brown glass 1 gallon Root Beer jugs from A+W circa 1975....
2.99 each. They are light to ship, hold 5 L and are well constructed and take vinyl lettering for labels.....
Harlequin.
How dumb am I! It never occurred to me that a soda bottle was impermeable because of the fiz factor. No need to find the perfect bottle from a bottle vendor. The only problem i see with a soda bottle is that it is flimsy to hold onto. I like a plastic bottle with enough “body” to hold without much deformation, but that is just a personal preference.PET bottles need to be relatively gas-impermeable, otherwise fizzy drinks would go flat quickly. A PET bottle of cola will stay bubbly for years, and your developer should stay fresh for that time as well as long as the bottle is full.
When it was available I used the Patterson equivalent for years. There is also discussion other places in Photrio about using marbles for the same purpose.Dear Mr. Sperera,
You can email the folks at Freestyle sales, they can give you full breakdown of their chemical plastic composition
of their 5L bottles. I know for a fact they have been shipping their developers in them since 2005, without issues.
Additionally by giving the remaining contents a shot of TETENAL protectant (a staple item in most labs I have worked in)
displaces air/02 and keeps the developers in Good Condition until needed.View attachment 195902
I hope this answers questions and Tetenal is a respected brand used around the world for this exact purpose,
Good Developer+Good Bottle+Protectan........any questions?
The actual bottles used might vary from region to region.How dumb am I! It never occurred to me that a soda bottle was impermeable because of the fiz factor. No need to find the perfect bottle from a bottle vendor. The only problem i see with a soda bottle is that it is flimsy to hold onto. I like a plastic bottle with enough “body” to hold without much deformation, but that is just a personal preference.
I ran a precious metal analysis lab for a few years and we used a lot of AR grade Hydrochloric and Nitric acid these used to come in class Winchesters (brown glass with a plastic outer, but the company supplying us switched to 2.5l HD plastic bottle, these are very thick walled, not possible chance of a split/breakage. They are brilliant for developer and fixer storage. Hot water is enough to clean acid traces but for safety I 'd fill them with spent print developer as a precaution.
That's all I used for Xtol for years, one for the working stock the other replenisher I never bothered with any precautions as the replenisher bottle reduced in content and that never caused a problem.
Ian
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