Bergger Pancro 400 - 120 roll

Gimenosaiz · Apr 10, 2017

Hi!

I've tested the Bergger Pancro 400 with the Pentax 6x7.
As I want to use this film mainly for portraits I did the test shooting portraits. Violeta helped me again ;-)
I love this film. It really seems easy for the enlarger. I hope to check it very soon.
The negative is really beautiful. No grain at all or really negligible. Flat and nearly free of dust once dried.
It reminds me of the Trix400 I've developed with Perceptol or Xtol.

Pentax 6x7 MLU
(a) SMC Pentax 67 105/2.4
(b) Super-Multi-Coated MACRO-TAKUMAR 135/4
Bergger Pancro 400 :: XTOL 1+1 -> 18' a 20ºC
Presoaking 1 minute
"Agitated during the 30 first seconds, and then, ten seconds at the top of every minute" ---> http://bergger.com/media/wysiwyg/Fiches_techniques/Pancro400_en.pdf
TMAX Fixer 4'
Epson V500/ Epson Scan
LR 7

1- (a) cut

2 - (a) underexposed 1 step.

3 - (a) overexposed 1 steo.

4 - (a) underexposed 1 step.

5 - (b) cut

6 - (b)

7 - (b) Misse the focus ...

8 - (b)

9 - (b) Recorte

Two Trix400 shots just to compare:
10 -

11 -

Developed with con Perceptol stock.

What do you think?

Cheers!!!!
Antonio

locutus · Apr 10, 2017

Nice!

I have some rolls in 135 which i have been shooting with 3 stop bracketing. Going to develop in RO9 and D76 to find which one i like the most. Tour XTol results are lovely, need to try that as well!

Michael Dahlkvist · Apr 10, 2017

Wow these are beautiful, i really like the midtones. Its soft and gradual where as Tri-x i find is not so subtle. I need to go into my wallet i guess

Edit: A PDF with useful information from Bergger about the film.

http://bergger.com/media/wysiwyg/Fiches_techniques/Pancro400_en.pdf

Mick Fagan · Apr 10, 2017

I think your test frames are excellent, they agree with what I have found with the 4x5" Bergger film I have used. I find that Bergger 400 is very much like the late Fuji Neopan 400, excellent tonal rendition of subjects with a nice contrast kick that seems to be slightly different to any other film I have used.

I think you will be very pleased with prints and they should print easily, at least of what you have here. The Tri-X you have shown is also shot under similar conditions, as far as grain and other things, I think both films are quite close. Bergger in my opinion does seem to have an edge in that when one prints it, there is a terrific contrasty look, but with detail held in both shadow and highlight especially with images shot under nice portrait lighting as you have done here.

When my stock of Neopan 400 runs out, I will be switching to Bergger 400 for my 135 work.

Mick.

mynewcolour · Apr 10, 2017

I think you take truly sensitive and charming portraits whatever the film!

^ probably not very helpful.

The Berger shots (to my eye) seem to have a wider gamut of tone (dynamic range? I don't know what is the preferred term for analogue photography) - very nice.

macfred · Apr 10, 2017

Great results, Antonio !
Your model is beautiful (as usual) - I like the wide range of midtones here.
I have 5 exposed rolls of Pancro 400 (2 of them exposed @Iso 1200) - I will try them with Xtol and Rodinal.
Thank you for sharing !

LAG · Apr 11, 2017

Gimenosaiz said:
What do you think?

Excuse me Antonio

In my opinion (of someone who is more visually pleasing with a more pronounced contrast) and bearing in mind that there are many factors in the middle, I find a slight lack of overall contrast that helps those midtones. I wouldn't say TriX anyway.

Sorry for the silly question: What's the colour of the rabbit in that T-shirt? White?

Looking at that Xtol info. (mix/time) I guess you used it at box speed. Did you use the recommended sulphite bath after fixing?

Congratulations, and thanks for posting!

Warm regards!

Gimenosaiz · Apr 11, 2017

locutus said:
Nice!

I have some rolls in 135 which i have been shooting with 3 stop bracketing. Going to develop in RO9 and D76 to find which one i like the most. Tour XTol results are lovely, need to try that as well!

Thank you! I'll look for your results !
Cheers.
Antonio

Michael Dahlkvist said:
Wow these are beautiful, i really like the midtones. Its soft and gradual where as Tri-x i find is not so subtle. I need to go into my wallet i guess

Edit: A PDF with useful information from Bergger about the film.

http://bergger.com/media/wysiwyg/Fiches_techniques/Pancro400_en.pdf

Hi!
Second thoughts ... I think you are right: Trix is not so subtle.
I think you won't regret it!

Cheers!

Mick Fagan said:
I think your test frames are excellent, they agree with what I have found with the 4x5" Bergger film I have used. I find that Bergger 400 is very much like the late Fuji Neopan 400, excellent tonal rendition of subjects with a nice contrast kick that seems to be slightly different to any other film I have used.

I think you will be very pleased with prints and they should print easily, at least of what you have here. The Tri-X you have shown is also shot under similar conditions, as far as grain and other things, I think both films are quite close. Bergger in my opinion does seem to have an edge in that when one prints it, there is a terrific contrasty look, but with detail held in both shadow and highlight especially with images shot under nice portrait lighting as you have done here.

When my stock of Neopan 400 runs out, I will be switching to Bergger 400 for my 135 work.

Mick.

Hi!
Thank you ;-)
I've never used Neopan 400 but what I also think that Bergger gives nice contrast ... althought I lately prefer a more contrasty result!
I'll try some 4x5 sheets next weekend !

Cheers!
Antonio

mynewcolour said:
I think you take truly sensitive and charming portraits whatever the film!

^ probably not very helpful.

The Berger shots (to my eye) seem to have a wider gamut of tone (dynamic range? I don't know what is the preferred term for analogue photography) - very nice.

Hi!
Well .. it't very helpful for me
As Mac said later, it has a wide range of midtones!

Cheers!
Antonio

macfred said:
Great results, Antonio !
Your model is beautiful (as usual) - I like the wide range of midtones here.
I have 5 exposed rolls of Pancro 400 (2 of them exposed @Iso 1200) - I will try them with Xtol and Rodinal.
Thank you for sharing !

Hi, Macfred!

Thank you ... Violeta is my little one ;-)))
Ummm, I'm eager to enjoy your examples. Any MF Fuji ????? Hope so!!!

Cheers!
Antonio

LAG said:
Excuse me Antonio

In my opinion (of someone who is more visually pleasing with a more pronounced contrast) and bearing in mind that there are many factors in the middle, I find a slight lack of overall contrast that helps those midtones. I wouldn't say TriX anyway.

Sorry for the silly question: What's the colour of the rabbit in that T-shirt? White?

Looking at that Xtol info. (mix/time) I guess you used it at box speed. Did you use the recommended sulphite bath after fixing?

Congratulations, and thanks for posting!

Warm regards!

Hi, Lag!!
I agree with you about the lack of "overall contrast" ... But it reminds me of the Trix, a subtly less contrasty Trix. Hahaha, I need to shot more Trix, I guess ;-)
The rabbit ... ummm, I don't remember right know :-( Pinky?
Yes: Box speed ... no, dammit! ... no sulphite bath after fixing
Kind regards!
Antonio

Gimenosaiz · Apr 11, 2017

Hi!

Regarding to the "recommended sulphite bath after fixing" ... I think that I'll try "Tetenal Lavaquick" Any other ?

Cheers!
Antonio

John Wiegerink · Apr 11, 2017

Hmm! I posted a comment here on how I liked these shots and since I used Xtol Replenished would have to try this Bergger film. I then ask the OP if the scenes were metered reflective or incident. My post showed up in the thread no problem yesterday. Now I'm going through the thread after reading it last night and my post has vanished. Did I do something wrong? I'd like to know and I still would like to know how the scenes were metered.

Gimenosaiz · Apr 11, 2017

John Wiegerink said:
Hmm! I posted a comment here on how I liked these shots and since I used Xtol Replenished would have to try this Bergger film. I then ask the OP if the scenes were metered reflective or incident. My post showed up in the thread no problem yesterday. Now I'm going through the thread after reading it last night and my post has vanished. Did I do something wrong? I'd like to know and I still would like to know how the scenes were metered.

Hi!!
I don't know why your post has vanished. Sorry.
I metered the reflected light on my daughter angelical face

Cheers!
Antonio

TheToadMen · Apr 11, 2017

John Wiegerink said:
Hmm! I posted a comment here on how I liked these shots and since I used Xtol Replenished would have to try this Bergger film. I then ask the OP if the scenes were metered reflective or incident. My post showed up in the thread no problem yesterday. Now I'm going through the thread after reading it last night and my post has vanished. Did I do something wrong? I'd like to know and I still would like to know how the scenes were metered.

A moderator would certainly have told you personally if you did anything inappropriate, don't worry. So there might be a technical problem with the forum instead? Did you ask our host Sean? I too saw something appear and disappear in an other (unrelated) thread.

John Wiegerink · Apr 11, 2017

Gimenosaiz said:
Hi!!
I don't know why your post has vanished. Sorry.
I metered the reflected light on my daughter angelical face

Cheers!
Antonio

Thanks, I was just curious. They turned out great that's for sure.

John Wiegerink · Apr 11, 2017

TheToadMen said:
A moderator would certainly have told you personally if you did anything inappropriate, don't worry. So there might be a technical problem with the forum instead? Did you ask our host Sean? I too saw something appear and disappear in an other (unrelated) thread.

No, I didn't ask Sean. I was just wondering if anybody else has had this happen? I didn't use any foul language or anything of that nature. I'm capable, but didn't!

Pete Myers · Apr 11, 2017

Antonio, congratulations on your beautiful shots! I hope the Pancro holds up as well in 35mm. Your work has made it look like an amazing film stock. I have had good luck with Acros in XTOL, so glad to see it carries over to Pancro.

Pete

LAG · Apr 12, 2017

Gimenosaiz said:
Hi!

Regarding to the "recommended sulphite bath after fixing" ... I think that I'll try "Tetenal Lavaquick" Any other ?

Cheers!
Antonio

Kodak HCA

Ricardo Miranda · Apr 12, 2017

Michael Dahlkvist said:
Wow these are beautiful, i really like the midtones. Its soft and gradual where as Tri-x i find is not so subtle. I need to go into my wallet i guess

Edit: A PDF with useful information from Bergger about the film.

http://bergger.com/media/wysiwyg/Fiches_techniques/Pancro400_en.pdf

There is a newer PDF with mention to 135 and 120 formats, but it is about the same thing:
http://bergger.com/media/wysiwyg/Fiches_techniques/BERGGER_PANCRO_400_DATASHEET_01_2017.pdf

Ricardo Miranda · Apr 12, 2017

Pete Myers said:
Antonio, congratulations on your beautiful shots! I hope the Pancro holds up as well in 35mm. Your work has made it look like an amazing film stock. I have had good luck with Acros in XTOL, so glad to see it carries over to Pancro.

Pete

It has: (there was a url link here which no longer exists)

fred · Jun 7, 2017

Beautiful results with this combo Antonio. Is x-tol in the mean time a reliable developper? I will try it this w-e but has no experience with the x-tol.

mike c · Jun 7, 2017

John Wiegerink said:
No, I didn't ask Sean. I was just wondering if anybody else has had this happen? I didn't use any foul language or anything of that nature. I'm capable, but didn't!

This has happened to me also, I think I must have missed up the posting procedure, or the forum software has a grudge against me.

Peter Schrager · Jun 7, 2017

I don't see the closeness to neopan..400
That was a gutsy film with a look all it's own
if someone has neopan. Pix to compare put them up here please

MattKing · Jun 7, 2017

I've been here a long time, and made what is probably too many posts.
I've certainly encountered a few situations where there has been a slight hiccup in my internet access to APUG, and as a result a post that I thought I had added hasn't actually made it to the thread.
I try to always check, but sometimes I don't.
Basically, if you actually see your completed post sitting there in the thread for all to see, it is probably going to be there for all time.
Sometimes (and very rarely) moderators end up having to edit threads in order to deal with problems. And it is not inconceivable that they might make a mistake and take out something that ought to stay.
I don't think that happened here.
Are you sure you actually clicked on the "Post Reply" button? I know I've made the mistake of forgetting to do that.

bluechromis · Jun 9, 2017

Bergger is touting that the 400 Pancro film is: "a mix of two panchromatic emulsions based on silver-bromide and silver-iodide, both differing from each other in grain size." I thought that having multiple emulsion layers with different grain/speed was the norm with modern BW films. Is there something fundamentally different that Bergger is doing with this film?

Peter Schrager · Jun 9, 2017

bluechromis said:
Bergger is touting that the 400 Pancro film is: "a mix of two panchromatic emulsions based on silver-bromide and silver-iodide, both differing from each other in grain size." I thought that having multiple emulsion layers with different grain/speed was the norm with modern BW films. Is there something fundamentally different that Bergger is doing with this film?

I'm not convinced about the hype...
But it is very nice we have choices...BERGGER
Is also going to cut sizes in sheet film in the future so you don't have to wait all year for ilford

fred · Jun 15, 2017

fred said:
Beautiful results with this combo Antonio. Is x-tol in the mean time a reliable developper? I will try it this w-e but has no experience with the x-tol.

My first essays... The film has a 'blanco' of 0,20 density versus FP4+. What is the reason? X-tol works well with T-max 400, so no no problem of the developer.

Bergger Pancro 400 - 120 roll

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