Batteries problem

Dinis Figueira · Jul 3, 2016

Hi guys,

I've received a Agfa Optima Pocket 5000 to use in a future mini-project.
I have 1 major problem that brings out 2 questions, being the problem - mercury batteries - this camera uses 3 and they were still there...

About my questions, how can I remove the green corrosed stuff from the mini "metal" plate?

And, what would be the best replacement for them, considering they are 3 625PX?

Thank you very much,
Dinis Figueira

carioca · Jul 3, 2016

I use a fiber glass pen to clean corroded contacts.
Can't be of any help regarding the batteries but I'm sure there are solutions.

GRHazelton · Jul 3, 2016

Here's a solution to the mercury cell quandary: http://www.weincell.com/ It uses an "air cell" which begins its useful life when a tab is removed. I doubt it will last as long as the mercury cells. Re: the mercury problem, I'd imagine that we could still use them if the purchase price included a hefty deposit, which would be refunded when the cell was returned to a recycling center. Jus' sayin....

John Koehrer · Jul 3, 2016

Baking soda helps a lot with the fg pen,
There are adapters to use 675 batteries that use a dropping resistor to get 1.35V they are pricey though

Dinis Figueira · Jul 4, 2016

Both ways are kinda expensive for a short project :/
Isn't there any way to adapt a camera like this to use another type of batteries?

MattKing · Jul 4, 2016

"O" rings plus 675 hearing aid batteries may work.

Dinis Figueira · Jul 4, 2016

MattKing said:
"O" rings plus 675 hearing aid batteries may work.

Could you give me an example of the "O" rings you are talking about?

Ricardo Miranda · Jul 4, 2016

Here, O rings:

ZA675 hearing aid batteries:

There you go!
Boa sorte / good luck!

MattKing · Jul 4, 2016

Dinis Figueira said:
Could you give me an example of the "O" rings you are talking about?

They are little round rubber rings that look a little bit like faucet washers.
Here is the link to the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-ring
Some hardware stores have them here. I don't know about Portugal.

GRHazelton · Jul 4, 2016

As I understand the problem, back in the day Mercury cells were chosen because they furnished a voltage which was essentially constant for most of the cells life, unlike alkaline cells, for example. The voltage was, I think, 1.35 volts, as compared to 1.5 for alkaline or silver oxide cells. The Mercury cell was cheaper than incorporating an internal voltage regulator. Thus if a meter circuit relies on a voltage of 1.35 volts for proper readings it will be inaccurate at 1.5 volts. Whether or not the meter can be re-calibrated for 1.5 volts depends on the camera.

Now. If, as in the case of my Praktica LTL the metering process involves changing aperture or shutter speed to center the needle in the viewfinder on a fixed marker, a circle or whatever, the meter probably uses a bridge circuit, in which the battery voltage is not really critical, other than not so high as to damage the light cell or other internals. Of course a voltage too low will give poor low light sensitivity. I don't know how to detect a bridge circuit meter other than the fixed "target" for the needle.

Kirks518 · Jul 4, 2016

Personally, I would skip the battery all together, and use a handheld meter. Especially for a small project. Or, if you absolutely want an in-camera meter, just use the 1.5V, and adjust accordingly.

onre · Jul 4, 2016

For removing green, white and blue oxidization I use white vinegar. After it has done the job, I neutralize with water.

Ricardo Miranda · Jul 4, 2016

Kirks518 said:
Personally, I would skip the battery all together, and use a handheld meter. Especially for a small project. Or, if you absolutely want an in-camera meter, just use the 1.5V, and adjust accordingly.

Your intentions are honourable and your advice is sound, that is until you see what camera Dinis is talking about.
Here is the manual: http://www.submin.com/110/manuals/agfa/5000.htm
A reference page: http://www.collection-appareils.fr/x/html/page_standard_eng.php?id_appareil=10016
Unfortunately it does need the batteries to work.

GRHazelton · Jul 4, 2016

I doubt that there's any way to adjust the ASA to compensate for the higher voltage of silver cells. Didn't the 110 cameras set ASA automatically?

Kirks518 · Jul 4, 2016

Ricardo Miranda said:
Your intentions are honourable and your advice is sound, that is until you see what camera Dinis is talking about.
Here is the manual: http://www.submin.com/110/manuals/agfa/5000.htm
A reference page: http://www.collection-appareils.fr/x/html/page_standard_eng.php?id_appareil=10016
Unfortunately it does need the batteries to work.

Ahh. It's one of those newfangled electronic cameras then!

Dinis Figueira · Jul 4, 2016

I tought it could be other "O" rings. I have tons of those at my house xD

I gotta say. Is it really worth all the money, or should I get another 110 for the project?
It seems that either way, I'm going for temporary fix's and expensive things.

By the way, thank you all for the kind help you've been giving to me.

E saudações ao tuga

Born2Late · Jul 4, 2016

I agree with using zinc air hearing aid batteries and adapters. It is very doubtful that the slight voltage difference will be noticeable. You are more likely to see exposure shifts from a sticky shutter, etc. You may have to experiment with o-ring sizes to get a good fit if you go that route. Some cameras made contact on the shoulders of the mercury cells, in that case you can make a ring out of solid copper wire, 14 gauge I believe if I remember correctly.

Bill Burk · Jul 4, 2016

At least you don't have to look for the hard to find and always dead Kodak K battery which is essentially the same three batteries in a case.

I recommend using alkaline 675 and just taking the inaccurate exposures that you may get. How far can the exposures be off when using the wrong batteries? And how much does it matter when you are likely using expired film anyway.

Ask me how I know - I use a Kodak Pocket Instamatic 60 and it doesn't even have a setting for 400 speed film. So it will treat all film as 100 anyway. And I've had to carve a battery holder out of wood. Wish it would just take the 675's

Dinis Figueira · Jul 5, 2016

Bill Burk said:
At least you don't have to look for the hard to find and always dead Kodak K battery which is essentially the same three batteries in a case.

I recommend using alkaline 675 and just taking the inaccurate exposures that you may get. How far can the exposures be off when using the wrong batteries? And how much does it matter when you are likely using expired film anyway.

Ask me how I know - I use a Kodak Pocket Instamatic 60 and it doesn't even have a setting for 400 speed film. So it will treat all film as 100 anyway. And I've had to carve a battery holder out of wood. Wish it would just take the 675's

I heard about the K battery - lucky.

Ill be using lomography b&w film for this. 110 ISO.
About the compensation, the camera is fully automatic, except for the focus (Which I find neat). Do you think there will be alot of innacurate exposures?

Old_Dick · Jul 5, 2016

There is also "MR-9 Adapter - Voltage Reducing Converter" http://www.smallbattery.company.org.uk/sbc_mr9_adapter.htm . "The "Rolls Royce" solution to problem of the discontinued Mercuric Oxide MR9, PX13 and PX625. I have not tried it out as yet.

Dinis Figueira · Jul 5, 2016

But it's too much expensive for what it is.
30$ x3, it's kinda much.

So. Without any adapter and stuff, i'm stuck with LR44 type (the only ones that seem to hold up), right?

GRHazelton · Jul 5, 2016

Dinis Figueira said:
But it's too much expensive for what it is.
30$ x3, it's kinda much.

So. Without any adapter and stuff, i'm stuck with LR44 type (the only ones that seem to hold up), right?

Looks like it. I imagine that the cells are used for the shutter, thus improper voltage could well affect it. Film latitude may well accommodate that. Keep us posted on the progress of the project, and good luck!

Dinis Figueira · Jul 5, 2016

GRHazelton said:
Looks like it. I imagine that the cells are used for the shutter, thus improper voltage could well affect it. Film latitude may well accommodate that. Keep us posted on the progress of the project, and good luck!

Gonna buy them then. I hope the camera wont go crazy with its auto exposure :/

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