Back in June 2018, the Ferrania Folks hoped to be in continuous production by Fall

[cmacd123]

[QUOTE="TheFlyingCamera, post: 2449041, member: 6743"...as they have abandoned their original backers.[/QUOTE]

they have not completely forgotten. https://www.filmferrania.com/ks-founders-wall

 

[pentaxuser]

Speed drops inordinately in gray weather and inside with window light. I’d say you are lucky to get ISO 40 under those conditions.

I am not sure how this relates to Greg's point about P30's speed. Can you elaborate on this? Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Helge]

I am not sure how this relates to Greg's point about P30's speed. Can you elaborate on this? Thanks

pentaxuser

The film speeds up when it receives more blue/UV light.

 

[pentaxuser]

The film speeds up when it receives more blue/UV light.

Thanks,is this peculiar to P30 and if it is, do you know what is it about P30 that makes it do this. So its a higher speed in say the Arizona desert than in a sunny day in the U.K. and even in any latitude its speed varies with the time of day. In night light do you know what speed it falls to ? Was Greg correctly rating its speed at 32 because he was basing it on his self portrait which was indoors and under artificial light?

If he had taken a portrait of himself in full Summer sun at noon would his rating have been 80 but not that high a rating at say 8:00am or 6:00pm?

I presume it isn't the norm in the sense that as far as I know HP5+ Tri-X and most of the rest of the films on the market place do not do this

pentaxuser

 

[MattKing]

P30 appears to perform a lot like tungsten balanced movie film.

 

[brianmquinn]

[QUOTE="TheFlyingCamera, post: 2449041, member: 6743"...as they have abandoned their original backers.

they have not completely forgotten. https://www.filmferrania.com/ks-founders-wall[/QUOTE]
I'm on that list and I am not upset that I have not gotten my reward yet. BUT I do wish they would give an update at least every quarter. Perhaps like say something like "Have a colorful Autumn" and post a B&W photo of a tree with the leaves coming down for the year. At least then we would know they were still alive. During COVID I feared they were down and out for good.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

P30 appears to perform a lot like tungsten balanced movie film.

That makes sense, Matt. I believe P30 was used by filmmakers in the past.

 

[fs999]

I'm on that list and I am not upset that I have not gotten my reward yet. BUT I do wish they would give an update at least every quarter. Perhaps like say something like "Have a colorful Autumn" and post a B&W photo of a tree with the leaves coming down for the year. At least then we would know they were still alive. During COVID I feared they were down and out for good.

And giving other manufacturers hints on their state... They said they will give more infos when they are ready to deliver.

 

[pentaxuser]

P30 appears to perform a lot like tungsten balanced movie film.

Thanks Matt. Is this related to it being like ortho film or just a coincidence that because of its tungsten balance it simply appears to exhibit the same qualities?It would appear from my very brief research since receiving Helge's reply that some ortho films but not all, do suffer from a speed loss under tungsten light by as much as a stop so, if as appears to be the case, Greg's portrait and colour chart was done under tungsten light and if it was this light under which Greg measured the film speed then this makes sense.

In the absence of any information from Ferrania based on Greg's statement as to the nature of this film he may not have taken this into account when testing speed. On the other hand he states that P30 was more ortho than those labelled so you'd imagine that this loss of speed he discovered v Ferrania's claim as to its speed might have caused him to test it outdoors for speed?.

On the other hand there must be a limited time he can devote to any one test given he has 49 to do.

There is now unfortunately no way to engage him to get answers as to whether my assumptions are accurate or not as for reasons already discussed on another he has now gone and probably forever.

So final question: if the speed differcence between Greg's 32 and Ferrania's 80 is all down to the fact that P30 is a ortho film, I take it that the difference is not dependent on the amount of UV light available so there is one slower speed for some ortho films but that speed is constant.
In other words there is a daylight speed which is the same irrespective of location

pentaxuser

 

[Agulliver]

I just give up. Yes, you're entitled to the extreme. Film Ferrania did exactly what they promised with the Kickstarter funds. I just totally give up trying to explain this to people who choose not to listen. Go ahead and believe you were conned. Go ahead and believe Film Ferrania don't communicate. Nice fantasy world.

Film Ferrania have made it VERY clear. No updates until they've achieved in-house production of P30.

Why give a free sample of a format they're not even making?

Why give quarterly updates when there's a global plague and nothing worth telling?

I want. I want., I want. I want.

Geez. This place becomes as bad as Faceache.

 

[fs999]

Sometimes I really want to like a post... Thabk you Agulliver !

 

[railwayman3]

I just give up. Yes, you're entitled to the extreme. Film Ferrania did exactly what they promised with the Kickstarter funds. I just totally give up trying to explain this to people who choose not to listen. Go ahead and believe you were conned. Go ahead and believe Film Ferrania don't communicate. Nice fantasy world.

Film Ferrania have made it VERY clear. No updates until they've achieved in-house production of P30.

Why give a free sample of a format they're not even making?

Why give quarterly updates when there's a global plague and nothing worth telling?

I want. I want., I want. I want.

Geez. This place becomes as bad as Faceache.

I appreciate what you are trying to say. OTOH, I can fully understand the disappointment felt by a proportion of the Kickstarter contributors......if you look back at the original fundraising, Ferrania definitely did give the impression that they has the equipment, chemicals, supplies, packaging, skills and everything else needed, just waiting there to produce a reward of a batch of colour reversal stock, even to the extent of offering different sizes and quantities according to the amount contributed. I'm sure that there was no intention to deliberately con anyone, but, with hindsight, it seems obvious that Ferrania were far too optimistic in thinking that colour reversal was an easy exercise......this, and the unforeseen problems which came up, means that even consistent production of B&W now looks to be proving to be very difficult exercise for them.

 

[Steve Roberts]

I appreciate what you are trying to say. OTOH, I can fully understand the disappointment felt by a proportion of the Kickstarter contributors......if you look back at the original fundraising, Ferrania definitely did give the impression that they has the equipment, chemicals, supplies, packaging, skills and everything else needed, just waiting there to produce a reward of a batch of colour reversal stock, even to the extent of offering different sizes and quantities according to the amount contributed. I'm sure that there was no intention to deliberately con anyone, but, with hindsight, it seems obvious that Ferrania were far too optimistic in thinking that colour reversal was an easy exercise......this, and the unforeseen problems which came up, means that even consistent production of B&W now looks to be proving to be very difficult exercise for them.

As a Ferrania Kickstarter contributor, I agree totally with what you say. Ferrania were either optimistic, naive or a bit of both to think they could achieve what they set out to do so easily and quickly. I hold my hand up and say that I also was optimistic and/or naive to think they could do it in the time frame they believed possible. My expectations are now bordering on zero. Whether they choose to give updates or not is up to them, but so little information won't help to keep their supporters onside.

 

[faberryman]

So final question: if the speed differcence between Greg's 32 and Ferrania's 80 is all down to the fact that P30 is a ortho film, I take it that the difference is not dependent on the amount of UV light available so there is one slower speed for some ortho films but that speed is constant.
In other words there is a daylight speed which is the same irrespective of location

If you read the P30 threads, users have reported vastly different film speeds. Some are tied to developer choice, others not. I do not recall any correlation with speed and light source. I also don't recall anyone doing a traditional speed test and measuring the results with a densitometer. That's not to say there were none, just that I don't recall one. (I have not watched Greg's P30 review so I don't know whether his P30 film speed test, if he did one, involved densitometer readings.) To my knowledge, Ferrania never conducted the necessary tests to establish a speed according to ISO standards. I think the boxes were labeled ASA 80 which was just a carry over from the old days. I think they said they were using the old emulsion formula so the film speed should still be 80, and they didn't have the equipment or didn't want to incur the cost of ISO film speed testing. After all, it is an "alpha" version.

 

[railwayman3]

As a Ferrania Kickstarter contributor, I agree totally with what you say. Ferrania were either optimistic, naive or a bit of both to think they could achieve what they set out to do so easily and quickly. I hold my hand up and say that I also was optimistic and/or naive to think they could do it in the time frame they believed possible. My expectations are now bordering on zero. Whether they choose to give updates or not is up to them, but so little information won't help to keep their supporters onside.

Agreed....I am sure that, at the time of the Kickstarter, I, and others, were genuinely worried that colour reversal film would be disappearing completely in the near future. Kodachrome and Ektachrome had been discontinued, Agfa had closed, and Fuji had also discontinued a numberof their different films, , so Ferrania seemed a last ray of hope. Perhaps this hope led us to be over-optimistic and to overlook the real difficulties of the project.

Several years on, we still have Ektachrome and Fuji (though at a price, both for film and good-quality processing), but my own interests have also moved on, so I the only reversal film which I now use is to finish off the small stocks in my freezer. Thankfully, a choice of quality colour neg and B&W is still available without having to experiment with variations of P30.

 

[Robert Maxey]

Funny how there are always so many reasons why something can’t be done

Somewhere on the web are a few articles about clever people who managed to find a way to process Kodachrome at home. Are the results good? Well, define good. Will the slides last? That is a good question. The point is, it (apparently) can be done.

I think those that say something cant be done has never met someone who actually does it.

Bob

 

[faberryman]

I think those that say something cant be done has never met someone who actually does it.

Then there is the old saying that just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done.

 

[Robert Maxey]

Then there is the old saying that just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done.

Indeed. That said, there is value at tilting at windmills and doing what should not be done. How do you know something really cannot be done unless you try, try, try again? I remember watching some guy on The David Letterman Show (or some such) who had the amazing ability to stop a room fan with his tongue. That probably should be one of those things one should not do.

Bob

 

[mohmad khatab]

they have not completely forgotten. https://www.filmferrania.com/ks-founders-wall

I'm on that list and I am not upset that I have not gotten my reward yet. BUT I do wish they would give an update at least every quarter. Perhaps like say something like "Have a colorful Autumn" and post a B&W photo of a tree with the leaves coming down for the year. At least then we would know they were still alive. During COVID I feared they were down and out for good.[/QUOTE]
Hey man ,,
These people are waiting for the return of Christ to Earth in order to produce a color film.
Waiting for the blessing to come from heaven,
This list will still exist pending that moment.

 

[Robert Maxey]

I just hope they work it out. We need more good film and more ngood news about new film, and new digital user to convert to film.

And 100 foot rolls of 70MM, in a Verichrome Pan and Panatomic-X sorta way.,.

Bob

 

[Auer]

Ilford, Kodak and Fuji don’t make enough film for us?

Of course not. What is wrong with you?

 

[Robert Maxey]

Ilford, Kodak and Fuji don’t make enough film for us?

For some folks, it is plenty. For me, not nearly enough.

Bob

 

[Agulliver]

Kodak and Fuji certainly are struggling to make sufficient film. For the current market they probably offer as wide a choice of film products as they reasonably can.

I don't see the point in quarterly updates when they've clearly stated "next update will be when we achieve full in house production of P30" (in 135 and 120 formats).

The situation certainly has changed. When the kickstarted began, Ektachrome was a thing of the past, and the only remaining colour reversal film as Fuji which looked tenuous as they were axing Velvia 50. There are still those who view every announcement from Fuji as code for "we are leaving the film industry". Fuji of course reintroduced Velvia 50 and Kodak eventually reintroduced Ektachrome 100D. While continuous production of colour reversal film was and remains a long term goal for Film Ferrania, the kickstarter rewards were always dependent on a short window of opportunity when they hoped to use extant chemicals to make one last batch of 100 Chrome film. That didn't happen due to external issues, and from that moment on backers were offered chances to convert their rewards to vouchers for P30. I get that not everyone wants to do that but the reward run of 100 Chrome was always going to be "if everything goes our way and the wind is behind us".

 

[pentaxuser]

Thanks faberryman for the reply and info. When I ask questions I like to think that I am either simply looking for information/knowledge or answers to help me reconcile what may or may not be contradictory statements. It is usually as simple as that

pentaxuser

 

[faberryman]

Thanks faberryman for the reply and info. When I ask questions I like to think that I am either simply looking for information/knowledge or answers to help me reconcile what may or may not be contradictory statements. It is usually as simple as that.

As I mentioned, I am just going on my recollection, which is sometimes faulty.

Edit: I did some searching around and found some testing Adrian Bacon did last fall with respect to P30 in the Resources area which you might find interesting.

https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...t-24c-and-1-inversion-every-2-minutes.179524/

Film-Niko also did some testing last fall:

https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/film-ferrania-p30.146259/page-35#post-2345144bbbb