B+W Negative Home Developing Problems - Bromide Drag, Agitation, or Fixer Issues?

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Rainer Moore

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Hi all,

I've recently begun attempting to home develop my black and white 35mm negatives. I have had pretty consistent streaks of---what looks to me like--overdevelopment.
I've attached a particularly bad example, plus the negative strip (sorry that one's not of great quality).
So far I've processed 7 rolls, and all have had varying degrees of this problem.


-They were all done with Kodak D76 (at varying dilutions) and Kodafix at various process times, including push processing on two. I have re-mixed my developer twice and fixer once. No change.
-I have used tap water, tho no one else in my town has had this problem, nor can tell me what it might be.
-I have tried four different tanks (both Patterson and SS) and used inversion and stand processing. When agitating I do 30 seconds to begin, and have tried both 5 sec every 30, as well as 10 sec every 60. When I agitate I twist and invert at what I would call a 'steady' pace. While two rolls seemed a little better, there weren't any corresponding details between the two (one was stand and one agitated, different dilutions, and different batches).
-There is no problem with my camera as I've had rolls from it professionally processed with zero issues.
-I have done my loading in two different bags, in dark rooms, and while my 'chemical station' is my kitchen sink, I have done all developing at night with minimal to no light. I do not believe this to be a light leak of any kind.


From what I can gather on forums, this is either Bromide Drag or a problem with my Fixer (this post is the only which suggests a fixer problem but it looks so much like what I'm having problems with: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums...-darkroom/189097-example-exhausted-fixer.html)

I don't actually understand why people online keep saying Bromide Drag because whatever is going through the sprocket holes seems to be overdeveloping the film in those comet-trail-like areas, and Bromide is a byproduct of the chemical process which inhibits development and is actually what causes developer to lose potency over uses.


The only success I've had is with 120 film, so it's obviously a lot to do with the sprocket holes in the 35mm.
Also, I have a temp control set up with a Sous Vide machine, so even though I know it's not a big deal for B+W but temperature has been exactly 68.

Either way there isn't much online which seems very clear. Some people say too vigorous agitation and some say not enough. Some say to stop top loading the chemicals and instead dunk, but the Patterson loads from the bottom and made no difference.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, this is driving me crazy! I've wasted too much film in a short time (including two rolls of Neopan).
Waiting on some TMax developer in the mail before I can try anything else.

Thanks!
 

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Welcome to Photrio.
It is tough to tell for sure, but those strips look more like incompletely fixed portions of the film then over-developed portions of the film.
I would try re-fixing them in some rapid fixer to see if you see a difference.
 

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Try fixing the film again. It's hard to tell, to me it is either an aggitation problem or a fixing problem. Maybe next time try the swirly stick and don't be aggressive this would help rule out that part.

Just a question are your negatives sticky by chance.
 

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Another question what size tank are you using and how many reels are in it during processing? For example are you using a two reel tank with only one reel? Maybe during you inversions the tank is sliding resulting in more force through the sprocket holes. Just a very wild guess.
 
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Another question what size tank are you using and how many reels are in it during processing? For example are you using a two reel tank with only one reel? Maybe during you inversions the tank is sliding resulting in more force through the sprocket holes. Just a very wild guess.


I’ve done single and double tanks, with one and two reels. I’d thought about that and it doesn’t seem to matter...
 
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Try fixing the film again. It's hard to tell, to me it is either an aggitation problem or a fixing problem. Maybe next time try the swirly stick and don't be aggressive this would help rule out that part.

Just a question are your negatives sticky by chance.


Sticky? No I didn’t ever notice anything like that.

Going to try fixing them again, it won’t matter that it’s been over a week since they were developed?
Thanks for all the replies by the way.
 
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Welcome to Photrio.
It is tough to tell for sure, but those strips look more like incompletely fixed portions of the film then over-developed portions of the film.
I would try re-fixing them in some rapid fixer to see if you see a difference.


I’ll give that a try, thanks! Strange that this is only the second time I’ve seen this idea anywhere.
 
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So as a reference for anyone else who has this problem:

I just grabbed one strip of the afflicted negatives, and threw it in a tank and fixed for about 10 min just to see what happened. viola, it appears to be fixed (no pun intended). The 'comet trails' are gone! I'll have to scan them to be totally sure but it looks like it's solved.

I deliberately used negatives from about a month ago, just to see if it would still work.
No idea yet exactly what I was doing wrong before, maybe more agitation during fixing, but as of now it seems to have been solved.


So, if anyone else is having this issue let this be a reference of a possible cure, because I couldn't find much of anything else out there. Thanks to the two who responded to this post!
 

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I've seen something very similar in some test negatives with which I experimented with fixing without agitation. Needless to say that was a one time experiment. I'm glad your issue seems to be solved!
 

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Thanks to all involved in this post - I thought id ruined my film as I had similar negs to the OP but tried refixing and all solved! Cheers
 
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