Arista EDU ULTRA 100 Made in Canada?

[MattKing]

While we here may care most about where and by whom the master rolls of film are coated, the labelling and marketing and distribution issues are much more closely related to where those master rolls are turned into something that can actually be put up for retail sale for eventual loading into a camera.
Most of the retail cost of photographic film arises after the master roll stage.
Historically, the industry was more vertically integrated than it is now.

 

[kiemchacsu]

it's funny that we've discussed such a long converstation without knowing how'a the film looked actually, OP please share

 

[MCB18]

Skimming the thread, and reading the guidelines for something labeled as “made in Canada” in Post #18, I can def see the confusion.

The film is Foma, made In Czech Republic.

The Cartridges are made in China. No, Flic Film doesn’t make them, you can buy them in bulk from Reflx for like $0.6/pc. Probably cheaper if you order something like 10k from Alibaba like Flic Film would.

The film is packed by Flic Film in Canada. According to the guidelines above, it is technically OK to say ”made in Canada”, so long as 51% of what the end customer pays goes to the Canadian company… that seems extremely misleading, though, since none of the product itself is actually made in Canada.

 

[Dali]

MCB18, this exactly my feeling: Misleading.

 

[MattKing]

Skimming the thread, and reading the guidelines for something labeled as “made in Canada” in Post #18, I can def see the confusion.

The film is Foma, made In Czech Republic.

The Cartridges are made in China. No, Flic Film doesn’t make them, you can buy them in bulk from Reflx for like $0.6/pc. Probably cheaper if you order something like 10k from Alibaba like Flic Film would.

The film is packed by Flic Film in Canada. According to the guidelines above, it is technically OK to say ”made in Canada”, so long as 51% of what the end customer pays goes to the Canadian company… that seems extremely misleading, though, since none of the product itself is actually made in Canada.

The "made in" words don't really accurately reference the source locations of the component parts of things that are assembled.
That is why we are seeing a fair amount of labelling now which says something like "made in Canada from components sourced in Canada and internationally".
At the risk of wandering into politics - don't go there! - where would you say cars are made when parts for them come from sources from all around the world, and where many of the sub-assemblies are assembled in Canada, but final assembly takes place in Detroit?

 

[TomR55]

Hi there,

Sorry if the question has already been posted but I just received cartridges of 35mm Arista EDU ULTRA 100 film and it is written "Made in Canada" on the tag. There is no box, so there is no notice and no development times... Pretty basic, so I have a couple of questions for you:

1) As Freestyle is not a film manufacturer, who did it in Canada?
2) Do you have some guidance to share on development time with D76 1+1?

Thanks a bunch!

If this film is indeed Arista Ultra 100, I believe the MDC gives a development time of 10 minutes, D76 1 + 1 at 20 C.

 

[gordrob]

The Cartridges are made in China. No, Flic Film doesn’t make them, you can buy them in bulk from Reflx for like $0.6/pc. Probably cheaper if you order something like 10k from Alibaba like Flic Film would.

The cartridges are made in Canada that is why they bear the label Made in Canada. Check the Youtube video in post #14 - the approximately 1:30 mark of the video explains that they are Made in Canada, Flic doesn't order them from China.

 

[MCB18]

The cartridges are made in Canada that is why they bear the label Made in Canada. Check the Youtube video in post #14 - the approximately 1:30 mark of the video explains that they are Made in Canada, Flic doesn't order them from China.

Well, if they do, cudos to them, but it’s not an original design and you can get them way cheaper from China, as mentioned up thread. This would not be the first time a company has lied about their capabilities…

 

[GregY]

Well, if they do, cudos to them, but it’s not an original design and you can get them way cheaper from China, as mentioned up thread.

Well, if they do, cudos to them, but it’s not an original design and you can get them way cheaper from China, as mentioned up thread. This would not be the first time a company has lied about their capabilities…

You're out on a limb there, casting aspersions. I know Dave and have done business with him at his store in Longview on a number of occasions.....

 

[MattKing]

You're out on a limb there, casting aspersions.

+1
Flic Film are very active in the Canadian market as suppliers and manufacturers and distributors
They may very well be manufacturing cassettes based on a sourced design.
Here is their website: https://flicfilm.ca/

 

[Craig]

This would not be the first time a company has lied about their capabilities…

Or more likely they are being copied in China.

 

[MCB18]

+1
Flic Film are very active in the Canadian market as suppliers and manufacturers and distributors
They may very well be manufacturing cassettes based on a sourced design.
Here is their website: https://flicfilm.ca/

Well regardless, from Canada or China, they’re pretty terrible. I do not use them as bulk cassettes because they’re impossible to open without destroying the cassette (even with the tool from what others tell me), and the one time I did use one (on Arista.EDU, actually) my film got scratched to hell by the felt. Apparently Foma also used them for a run, maybe as an experiment, idk, and the quality of the product fell dramatically.

Good for them for being self sufficient I guess, but my god the cassettes do suck…

 

[Agulliver]

I'd still like to see photos of the actual cassettes and packaging. But am certainly prepared to believe that the cassettes are manufactured in Canada by Flic.